I read the reviews here about the two different suspension setups and the way it sounds TY leans towards the M10 in most areas. I would like to get some suggestions, likes, or dislikes from riders who actually have these suspensions on an SRX. Also, I would like to know what you've changed on the front to compensate for the rear. I'm getting ready to purchase one or the other soon and at this cost I would like to make the best decision possible. Also, since i'm going the distance on the rear I may try the Fox Float shocks on the front. What will I need or change to make this work?
Any suggestions of help is greatly appreciated!
Any suggestions of help is greatly appreciated!
yamaholic22
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It depends what you want really. The M10 is built more for all around comfort for the majority of riders who want a MUCH smoother ride. The expert is geared more towards very aggressive riders. It is easier to adjust (unless you have the m10 ace), and it transfers much better and does not rob top speed. Expert has very quick rebounding for the high speed bumps, and is probably a little better suited for jumping/snocross. Other opinions?
yamaholic22
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also on the front i would go with a set of ohlins before the floats. We have already been hearing about problems with the fox's leaking. They just dont seem to be built near as well as the ohlins. Another matter of opinion though. The fox's must be somewhat durable though, because now yamaha is putting them on one of the apex models.
Steven DeMarco
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have never ridden an m10. can't tell you anything about it.
However i do own an expert x and i absolutely love it.
the quality/appearance is hands down better than an m10.
strong as a friggin ox. i can't imagine ever bending one of these rails.
rides great. huge improvement over stock.
weight transfer is incredible.
comes with all the tools you will need for adjusting (1) and the adjustments are simple simple simple. maintenance is simple lots of grease fittings.
oh did i mention that everywhere you go with it people will ask you about it. this has it's pros and cons
Only dislike is it holds a lot of snow and ice so it can get heavy. you wont notice this till you have to pick it up.
However i do own an expert x and i absolutely love it.
the quality/appearance is hands down better than an m10.
strong as a friggin ox. i can't imagine ever bending one of these rails.
rides great. huge improvement over stock.
weight transfer is incredible.
comes with all the tools you will need for adjusting (1) and the adjustments are simple simple simple. maintenance is simple lots of grease fittings.
oh did i mention that everywhere you go with it people will ask you about it. this has it's pros and cons
Only dislike is it holds a lot of snow and ice so it can get heavy. you wont notice this till you have to pick it up.
ViperTom
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I've had a Viper with an Expert and have to TOTALLY agree with Steven DeMarco.
My brother has a Ski-Doo with an M-10, It rides great but its not up for hard riding. He has bent pieces in it several times.
Dial in the settings on the expert and it will ride almost as smooth as an M-10.
Tom
My brother has a Ski-Doo with an M-10, It rides great but its not up for hard riding. He has bent pieces in it several times.
Dial in the settings on the expert and it will ride almost as smooth as an M-10.
Tom
jwiedmayer
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Ditto the praises for the X. I've never ridden an m10 though.
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Well, so far, it seems that the expert x is the popular vote and by the way it sounds it will suit me. I guess one of the biggest points is that it's tough and can handle jumping the drifts. Being an old motocrosser, I love to jump and thats how I ruined my skid on my SRX. My next question is what should I do to the front to make up for the height and travel thats in the rear. If I go with the ohlins what size, length ect. do I look for? Will I need any modifications done to the front to make the longer travel work?
Then only thing that worrys me about the expert x is the fact that it holds snow, but I can probably live with it.
Thanks for all your suggestions and any help with my mod for the front is greatly appreciated!
Well, so far, it seems that the expert x is the popular vote and by the way it sounds it will suit me. I guess one of the biggest points is that it's tough and can handle jumping the drifts. Being an old motocrosser, I love to jump and thats how I ruined my skid on my SRX. My next question is what should I do to the front to make up for the height and travel thats in the rear. If I go with the ohlins what size, length ect. do I look for? Will I need any modifications done to the front to make the longer travel work?
Then only thing that worrys me about the expert x is the fact that it holds snow, but I can probably live with it.
Thanks for all your suggestions and any help with my mod for the front is greatly appreciated!
vipertripplexxx
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m-10 with ohlins, or fox revalved, will handle anything an x can if not more. you can't accelerate in the corners as hard with the x because of ski lift. but the x will transfer weight better 4-shure. If you want to go fast in tight corners m-10, if you drag race x-pert. m2c
AndyC
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Well I have to go with the M-10 with the Ohlins. I installed one on my 02 Viper ER at the end of last season. Never got to ride it do to the lack of snow. Since this year has kind of sucked here in CT I've only been out 5 times. I've noticed the difference with the M-10 and am happy with it. As for lost in top speed I haven't had a chance to do some field run against the group and most likely will have to wait till next season unless we get snow again.
On the jumping... well it an ER so there is some extra weight but I do like to hit the bumps and get some air
The reason I went with the M-10 over the Expert X was due to the report on the old TY.net comparison test. Also I got a great deal on my Ohlin M-10
On the jumping... well it an ER so there is some extra weight but I do like to hit the bumps and get some air
The reason I went with the M-10 over the Expert X was due to the report on the old TY.net comparison test. Also I got a great deal on my Ohlin M-10
You can go with short travel Ohlin shocks in the front, and then get the extensions from Pioneer Performance which give it another 1" of travel, and you can also get Hauck's adjustable front shock brackets. Between the two of these, you will find that the sled sits higher in the front and handles bumps better.
Steven DeMarco
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i didn't do anything to the front end. i just adjusted the settings so that the rear suspension so that it was in it's lowest setting. (height can be adjusted about 3")
i didn't like the darting on the viper so i changed the skis to simmons flexi.
absolutely love the ride and the handeling is much tighter than stock.
on that expert x. trust me you can really throw a beating at this thing with absolutely no fears. (it is unbelievable) i have also seen the m-10 break. saw a guy on a trail cruise 2 years back.
he was finishing up a trip from canada and broke his lower shock mount 200 miles from home. had to wedge a log through the suspension just to tow it. 200 mile tow!!!
that pretty much settled my decision.
by the way anyone reading that report on the m10 vs expert on ty
it is kind of an unfair report. in the literature that comes with the expert it explains that this suspension needs aprox 500 miles on it to break in the shocks
(i am sure this is going to start some debate)
anyways after 500 miles or so this thing loosens up and has a whole different ride.
they should have done the comparison after a full break in.
ok m10 guys let me have it i am ready!!!
i didn't like the darting on the viper so i changed the skis to simmons flexi.
absolutely love the ride and the handeling is much tighter than stock.
on that expert x. trust me you can really throw a beating at this thing with absolutely no fears. (it is unbelievable) i have also seen the m-10 break. saw a guy on a trail cruise 2 years back.
he was finishing up a trip from canada and broke his lower shock mount 200 miles from home. had to wedge a log through the suspension just to tow it. 200 mile tow!!!
that pretty much settled my decision.
by the way anyone reading that report on the m10 vs expert on ty
it is kind of an unfair report. in the literature that comes with the expert it explains that this suspension needs aprox 500 miles on it to break in the shocks
(i am sure this is going to start some debate)
anyways after 500 miles or so this thing loosens up and has a whole different ride.
they should have done the comparison after a full break in.
ok m10 guys let me have it i am ready!!!
Steven DeMarco
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the whole holding snow thing is really not a big issue.
i only mentioned it because weight is such a drawback to some people.
to be honest i have never really noticed it.
cant tell when you are driving.
if i was worried about weight i would put me, not the sled on a diet
i only mentioned it because weight is such a drawback to some people.
to be honest i have never really noticed it.
cant tell when you are driving.
if i was worried about weight i would put me, not the sled on a diet
Junior
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Steven DeMarco said:
they all build up snow, not alot you can do about it
Get the X, I put one in my 00 srx 2 years ago. I also put a sno tek trail king 42" on the front. Now this thing really is a ditch banger with the heart of a lake racer.
I have had to run the X somewhat low in the height setting to keep from darting, I shimmed the skies and that helped a lot but would like to figure out how to run the back end jacked up for the really nasty stuff. I think the c&a pros are a little to aggresive for the front end weight of the srx.
Very easy to put in and super easy to adjust, awesome transfer and beefy.
I have had to run the X somewhat low in the height setting to keep from darting, I shimmed the skies and that helped a lot but would like to figure out how to run the back end jacked up for the really nasty stuff. I think the c&a pros are a little to aggresive for the front end weight of the srx.
Very easy to put in and super easy to adjust, awesome transfer and beefy.
TopGunnSrx
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I put an expert in my 01 srx absolutly love it! Havent riden it on the trails yet but what i could tell from hitting some snow banks on the lake oh man its a pillow! I also havent done anything to the front of my srx, i actually like the way you sit better with the suspension jacked up. Once you get the tunnel plates in the right spot and on the skid installs in 5 minutes. And like someone else said super easyt o adjust all you have is the ride height adjustment changes the shock angle the spring tension on the shock and the weight transfer simple simple, plus they give you some set ups in the manual......Plus it looks sweet
jwiedmayer
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I have a BLT like kit on the front of mine. Its the works shocks and radius rods that are the same length as the BLT. I also have the A.D. Bovin brackets and sno-tek front shock mounts.
The X does hold a lot of snow...
The X does hold a lot of snow...
OLDCAT
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i have a 02 viper with a m-10 ohlin shocks with dual remotes.c&a pro skis,works performance shocks in the front.i would not trade this setup for anything! it rides great in big bumps,stutter bumps,as well as flat cruising.i ride extremely hard and the m-10 has never failed.i did have all the shocks revalved and rebuild them twice a year.as far as ease of adjustability goes once its st,i don't mess with it.on a viper with the m-10 you must run the front shocks as loose as you can.before i put the c&a pro skis on it handled miserably. i have never ridden a sled with the expert in it...so i can't comment on it.top speed loss? not an issue...remember, the fastest part of any machine is the nut behind the wheel...
hman
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I could'nt tell you which one is better but if price has anything to do with it,I can make you a good deal on a new 121" M10 with Fox Zero comp remote shocks,cam adjuster,and mount kit for Yamaha for $900 plus shipping,about half of retail price and it has never been used.
caribfuture
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Just curious, what has everyone seen for pricing on both models. Never really looked into a suspension exchange, but curious as to what it would be to exchange one out. New or used, doesn't much matter.