I would just like some rough dimensions for setting up a sx to long travel for the rear. I purhased a set of viper shocks and was just going to swap them in, I weigh about 200 lbs.
1-Rear shock preload dimensions. 2-FRA position. 3-Ctr shock preload dimensions. 4-Control rod shim thickness to use and gap settings.
When setting up limiter strap, is it better to have it tight or loose? and how much front ski pressure?
Whenever i see other sleds on the trail it seems the front suspension springs on alot of sleds are tightened up alot farther than to even use the full triple rate of the springs.....
Thanks for any input......
1-Rear shock preload dimensions. 2-FRA position. 3-Ctr shock preload dimensions. 4-Control rod shim thickness to use and gap settings.
When setting up limiter strap, is it better to have it tight or loose? and how much front ski pressure?
Whenever i see other sleds on the trail it seems the front suspension springs on alot of sleds are tightened up alot farther than to even use the full triple rate of the springs.....
Thanks for any input......
my set up 98 sx
go to pioneermotorsports.com and click the link for pioneer performance and look up the instructions for the long tavel kit it tells you all you need to know.or call them 716-496-8800
go to pioneermotorsports.com and click the link for pioneer performance and look up the instructions for the long tavel kit it tells you all you need to know.or call them 716-496-8800
my set up for sx 700
my set up is all set at the factory settings other than the front end i have ohlin's up front.I am 200 lbs as well and it rides and handles great
my set up is all set at the factory settings other than the front end i have ohlin's up front.I am 200 lbs as well and it rides and handles great
RM, I tried to look on pioneermotorsports.com but it didn't have any hyper links to look for the information for set-ups you talked about i will have to give them a call...
a question on your set-up, do you tend to lean toward your center shock preload on the hard or soft adjustment and do you happen to feel your skid bottoming on trail rides once and a while or not at all...could you measure your control rod gaps and what thickness spacers you use on the upper and lower..... thanks CP
a question on your set-up, do you tend to lean toward your center shock preload on the hard or soft adjustment and do you happen to feel your skid bottoming on trail rides once and a while or not at all...could you measure your control rod gaps and what thickness spacers you use on the upper and lower..... thanks CP
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Heres the correct link. http://www.pioneermotorsport.com/pp_index.htm look under instructions and you will find it.
standard set up
coldplay,everything on my rear suspension is set to factory specs
1.Limiter Straps 28.0mm (1 1/8")
2.you replace the lower 15mm spacer with a 7.5mm
3.the rear spring setting 339mm(13 3/8")
4.center spring 250.5mm(9 7/8")
5.Free rate adjuster in the middle or (B) setting
Rememeber now this is the set up for the pioneer performance long travel kit i installed and that this may or my not pertain to you using viper shocks in your sx. i have noy bottom out yet but the suspension should bottom out once in while or you are not utilizing the suspension this is what ohlins says about tuning a suspension go to this site for some tips on suspension set up. also as rule of thumb if make a adjustment to the rear spring preload then you should also do the same amount to the center shock to balance it out
www.ohlins.com/sm_manuals.shtml
coldplay,everything on my rear suspension is set to factory specs
1.Limiter Straps 28.0mm (1 1/8")
2.you replace the lower 15mm spacer with a 7.5mm
3.the rear spring setting 339mm(13 3/8")
4.center spring 250.5mm(9 7/8")
5.Free rate adjuster in the middle or (B) setting
Rememeber now this is the set up for the pioneer performance long travel kit i installed and that this may or my not pertain to you using viper shocks in your sx. i have noy bottom out yet but the suspension should bottom out once in while or you are not utilizing the suspension this is what ohlins says about tuning a suspension go to this site for some tips on suspension set up. also as rule of thumb if make a adjustment to the rear spring preload then you should also do the same amount to the center shock to balance it out
www.ohlins.com/sm_manuals.shtml
set up
Please be careful--- Red has a converted kit from Pioneer, and this set up is different from a true long travel. The 250MM for example with a viper spring will never work--WAY to loose should be between 210 -230mm.
You see the Pioneer kit uses a VERY long middle spring, and that changes to the 250mm. I wont go into each measurement, but they all vary. The lower spacers are not 7.5 as well. Get the specs for a 2000sxr and follow them, but do not follow the pioneer kit or viper, because they are different. (the viper spring settings are ok, but not the transfer rods, and spacers)
Trust me here--I have been in and out of this set up a million times, and you would be shocked at the subtle differences. One odd one I found over time is the trailing arms: A 99 sx & 99 srx have a different spindle angle (aka: rake) it is only like 2 degrees, but different. If you look into many of yamaha parts even on the same model you will find minor changes over the years. I just found out today the female portion of the transfer rod(the one with the grease fitting) is different from 99 and 2001...like I said do not assume.
BOTTOM LINE: DO NOT TAKE ANYONES WORD--GET THE SPECS, MEASURE, AND COMPARE.
gOOD LUCK, AND pm ME WITH ANY QUESTIONS
Please be careful--- Red has a converted kit from Pioneer, and this set up is different from a true long travel. The 250MM for example with a viper spring will never work--WAY to loose should be between 210 -230mm.
You see the Pioneer kit uses a VERY long middle spring, and that changes to the 250mm. I wont go into each measurement, but they all vary. The lower spacers are not 7.5 as well. Get the specs for a 2000sxr and follow them, but do not follow the pioneer kit or viper, because they are different. (the viper spring settings are ok, but not the transfer rods, and spacers)
Trust me here--I have been in and out of this set up a million times, and you would be shocked at the subtle differences. One odd one I found over time is the trailing arms: A 99 sx & 99 srx have a different spindle angle (aka: rake) it is only like 2 degrees, but different. If you look into many of yamaha parts even on the same model you will find minor changes over the years. I just found out today the female portion of the transfer rod(the one with the grease fitting) is different from 99 and 2001...like I said do not assume.
BOTTOM LINE: DO NOT TAKE ANYONES WORD--GET THE SPECS, MEASURE, AND COMPARE.
gOOD LUCK, AND pm ME WITH ANY QUESTIONS
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I just looked at Reds specs, and again they are all for the Pioneer/Maxx kit, but WRONG for you.
The limiter spec is different, the spacers are different, the center shock measurement is different.
I know everyone is trying to help, but giving wrong info can F___ Up someones trip, vacation etc. and cost $$$.
I am sorry in advance for being so harsh, but I see this way to often, and it really gets me...
I just looked at Reds specs, and again they are all for the Pioneer/Maxx kit, but WRONG for you.
The limiter spec is different, the spacers are different, the center shock measurement is different.
I know everyone is trying to help, but giving wrong info can F___ Up someones trip, vacation etc. and cost $$$.
I am sorry in advance for being so harsh, but I see this way to often, and it really gets me...
hey blueje17
thats why i specificly said that this may not work with the viper shocks.i dont beleive in mixing parts if the shocks from viper may fit into a sx but whats the point if you got screw around with and scramble looking for info on will it work or wont it. use the sx shocks that came with sled and take them and have them valved to your body weight COLDPLAY PUT THE PIONEER PERF. LONG TRAVEL KIT INTO IT AND ITS DONE IT RIDES AWSOME AND YOU KNOW ITS GONNA WORK PERIOD. OH AND BLEUEJ17 NOW I KNOW I MET YOU LAST WINTER OUT IN EDEN ON THE TRAILS! CAUSE I REMEMBER YOU TALKING TO ME ABOUT THE DIFFERENT RAKES BETWEEN THE SX AND SRX. SMALL WORLD ISNT IT?
im just trying to help the guy out i dont want him to screw up his sled as well so this my opinion coldplay do the pp lt kit wiht the orignal sx shocks and sell the viper shocks for what you can get for the viper shocks you could probably buy the pp lt kit 329.00
thats why i specificly said that this may not work with the viper shocks.i dont beleive in mixing parts if the shocks from viper may fit into a sx but whats the point if you got screw around with and scramble looking for info on will it work or wont it. use the sx shocks that came with sled and take them and have them valved to your body weight COLDPLAY PUT THE PIONEER PERF. LONG TRAVEL KIT INTO IT AND ITS DONE IT RIDES AWSOME AND YOU KNOW ITS GONNA WORK PERIOD. OH AND BLEUEJ17 NOW I KNOW I MET YOU LAST WINTER OUT IN EDEN ON THE TRAILS! CAUSE I REMEMBER YOU TALKING TO ME ABOUT THE DIFFERENT RAKES BETWEEN THE SX AND SRX. SMALL WORLD ISNT IT?
im just trying to help the guy out i dont want him to screw up his sled as well so this my opinion coldplay do the pp lt kit wiht the orignal sx shocks and sell the viper shocks for what you can get for the viper shocks you could probably buy the pp lt kit 329.00
set up shocks...
Red etc. , I can appreciate your thoughts about different set ups and the homework involved. I have run both kits and will share my final OPINION:
The Pioneer kit worked great for me, but doesnt help the front end at all. That being said it does change the geometry from original design. The lower rear end (set in--compared to "viper") also should help top end because of track angle. Again this does not do anything for the front end, but it is Cheaper.
The viper set up is very common, but more expensive. This kit works well, and the front end is included. That said the geometry matches the oem design, and ride height front & rear. You do have to purchase front end components including radius rods (and a sway bar if you opt not to use spacers) The rear rear Viper shock is the same as an sxr, and the center shock is stiffer (as it needs to be--based on W arm breakage)
If you ride in deep moguls up north all the time, and plan to own the sled for more than a year I'd go Viper style, but If not the pioneer kit is an awsome bang for the buck, and the center shock is well built/valved.
It doesnt sound like this is an option, because the Viper shocks are in hand. Radius Rods will cost another 120 ish, and if you opt for a new sway bar (dont,--- use spacers) it will cost 100, and a bugger to install.
Red, this has been an interesting "Fact Swap", and perhaps we did meet. I hope we run into one another again, and compare notes...
red--I realize you mentioned the Pioneer kit, but the viper shocks were mentioned. Most people are not as well versed as you are, and because you offered specs they may follow them and not realize that they said viper, and you said Pioneer.
PS My Sled is for sale, and if you know anyone interested please PM me.
Have a good Ride...
Red etc. , I can appreciate your thoughts about different set ups and the homework involved. I have run both kits and will share my final OPINION:
The Pioneer kit worked great for me, but doesnt help the front end at all. That being said it does change the geometry from original design. The lower rear end (set in--compared to "viper") also should help top end because of track angle. Again this does not do anything for the front end, but it is Cheaper.
The viper set up is very common, but more expensive. This kit works well, and the front end is included. That said the geometry matches the oem design, and ride height front & rear. You do have to purchase front end components including radius rods (and a sway bar if you opt not to use spacers) The rear rear Viper shock is the same as an sxr, and the center shock is stiffer (as it needs to be--based on W arm breakage)
If you ride in deep moguls up north all the time, and plan to own the sled for more than a year I'd go Viper style, but If not the pioneer kit is an awsome bang for the buck, and the center shock is well built/valved.
It doesnt sound like this is an option, because the Viper shocks are in hand. Radius Rods will cost another 120 ish, and if you opt for a new sway bar (dont,--- use spacers) it will cost 100, and a bugger to install.
Red, this has been an interesting "Fact Swap", and perhaps we did meet. I hope we run into one another again, and compare notes...
red--I realize you mentioned the Pioneer kit, but the viper shocks were mentioned. Most people are not as well versed as you are, and because you offered specs they may follow them and not realize that they said viper, and you said Pioneer.
PS My Sled is for sale, and if you know anyone interested please PM me.
Have a good Ride...
set up shocks...
Red etc. , I can appreciate your thoughts about different set ups and the homework involved. I have run both kits and will share my final OPINION:
The Pioneer kit worked great for me, but doesnt help the front end at all. That being said it does change the geometry from original design. The lower rear end (set in--compared to "viper") also should help top end because of track angle. Again this does not do anything for the front end, but it is Cheaper.
The viper set up is very common, but more expensive. This kit works well, and the front end is included. That said the geometry matches the oem design, and ride height front & rear. You do have to purchase front end components including radius rods (and a sway bar if you opt not to use spacers) The rear rear Viper shock is the same as an sxr, and the center shock is stiffer (as it needs to be--based on W arm breakage)
If you ride in deep moguls up north all the time, and plan to own the sled for more than a year I'd go Viper style, but If not the pioneer kit is an awsome bang for the buck, and the center shock is well built/valved.
It doesnt sound like this is an option, because the Viper shocks are in hand. Radius Rods will cost another 120 ish, and if you opt for a new sway bar (dont,--- use spacers) it will cost 100, and a bugger to install.
Red, this has been an interesting "Fact Swap", and perhaps we did meet. I hope we run into one another again, and compare notes...
red--I realize you mentioned the Pioneer kit, but the viper shocks were mentioned. Most people are not as well versed as you are, and because you offered specs they may follow them and not realize that they said viper, and you said Pioneer.
PS My Sled is for sale, and if you know anyone interested please PM me.
Have a good Ride...
Red etc. , I can appreciate your thoughts about different set ups and the homework involved. I have run both kits and will share my final OPINION:
The Pioneer kit worked great for me, but doesnt help the front end at all. That being said it does change the geometry from original design. The lower rear end (set in--compared to "viper") also should help top end because of track angle. Again this does not do anything for the front end, but it is Cheaper.
The viper set up is very common, but more expensive. This kit works well, and the front end is included. That said the geometry matches the oem design, and ride height front & rear. You do have to purchase front end components including radius rods (and a sway bar if you opt not to use spacers) The rear rear Viper shock is the same as an sxr, and the center shock is stiffer (as it needs to be--based on W arm breakage)
If you ride in deep moguls up north all the time, and plan to own the sled for more than a year I'd go Viper style, but If not the pioneer kit is an awsome bang for the buck, and the center shock is well built/valved.
It doesnt sound like this is an option, because the Viper shocks are in hand. Radius Rods will cost another 120 ish, and if you opt for a new sway bar (dont,--- use spacers) it will cost 100, and a bugger to install.
Red, this has been an interesting "Fact Swap", and perhaps we did meet. I hope we run into one another again, and compare notes...
red--I realize you mentioned the Pioneer kit, but the viper shocks were mentioned. Most people are not as well versed as you are, and because you offered specs they may follow them and not realize that they said viper, and you said Pioneer.
PS My Sled is for sale, and if you know anyone interested please PM me.
Have a good Ride...
bleuej17
how much for your sled and what are the specs (clutch,suspension,etc)what model. do you have any pics
how much for your sled and what are the specs (clutch,suspension,etc)what model. do you have any pics
thanks for the info. i am installing the suspension today and the information you gave me helped alot maybe a few tweeks out on the trail....thanks again CP