No, thanks on the viper even up. I already have one that is enough. I haven't really had much seat time on the Apex yet,I think that is probly why I love my viper so much still. Its just depressing I have that brand new sled,there is no snow here and I have to work all kinds of overtime at work so I wouldn't be able to ride the Apex any ways. The work and the snow thing was why I was going to sell it.