Whats up with the 07' 120hp sleds??

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Not enough $$$ in the budget to update to the new delta box II chassis and nice looking apex body work?? Not everybody has $ 10,000.00+++to buy a new apex series sled-including me. In my opinion - I've never liked the RX-1/Vector body work-but I really like the apex series. Sorry to say-people aren't going to jump off thier rev600's,F6's and xc600/proX's to buy a new phazer!!- No money spent on 3cy.120hp. = maybe new 120hp-ish sled in the phazer chassis?????? Just a thought-Not ness. A bash-but the vector/Rx-1 body style is a little long in the tooth don't you think??? The 115-120HP class is still where the most SALES are in the sled industry!!! I DO like the smaller four stroke and the new chassis-(phazer) - I HATE to have to keep waiting -year after year after year---BNG's don't cut it unless you lead the market in sales-look at the phazers/SRV's/exciters in the mid-late eightes.
Just my opinion-but it brings up alot of questions doesn't it???
-Matt
 
that's correct, but the phazer really isn't made to compete for the market your talking about. As far as HP goes. Even though drifter posted that thing got up to 90 on the dream meter. Yami has the NYTRO still.... I think they probably have enough want for a NORMAL trail sled to maybe keep the Vector a little longer like they did with the venom.. But who knows they could modify the NYTRO in another year.. Not all people who ride 120hp sleds jump ditches or want ride forward sleds. There a lot of SXR, v-max, XCRs and MXZ sleds out there for people that just want to trail ride.. It's all what YOU want. Maybe you should by one of the other ones until then... :) Nah!! We as consumers really can't expect a new sled for the whole line up every year. I seem to say to myself I will wait until next year. Crap.. It's been 3 years..
 
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Yamaha is in the midst of a serious evolution. The decision to break trail in the 4-stroke market dictates a lot of the direction they now go. The reason they have not updated the 120 class this year is no doubt related to the need for an entry-level type sled in their line-up. They, like every other manufacturer, are a market-driven company and as such they will produce machines that they percieve will fill gaps and/or increase revenue. I have no doubt that the 120 class update is right around the corner and given the major improvements and obvious forward thinking of Yamaha in the last 4-5 years, I would expect something very impressive!
 
EXACTLY........BUT I don't think there is a 'Normal' sled out there anymore. If you go by # of sales in the last three years,the rider forward REV chassis is now kinda 'Normal'. The way you sit on a SXR,SRX,Viper is now becoming---'Old school'-not 'Normal'. After riding a Rev -and get back on a SX or a viper you feel like your sitting in a hole-unless you put a boss seat on one of those sleds...kinda like what yamaha did with the Nytro..
90mph with the new phazer?-does that equal @ 75MPH in actuall speed??
The phazer DOES look like alot of FUN to ride-heck the ol' 88' phazer would say @ 85MPH ...sometimes 90MPH in good conditions...
Anyway-just puzzled about the 120hp class - why not cover ALL the bases when they already have the tooling??Hmmm
 
I would say time... You just can't do it all at once and be profitable. Polaris couldn't even get one model right with the FUSION. They made the Nytro last year. Yes it's off the same base, but man it takes time if you want a good quality product. I'm sorry but I know a lot of people who are riding old school sleds. Most are Skidoo fans who have tested and rode revs and decided they rather ride old technology. Yes some day we all will have to give in... :) Manufacturers can't make eveyone happy all the time just not profitable. Look how many years the Rev is basically the same. They really haven't done much besides make money on what they all ready have. The Phazer know matter if its 75-80 actual speed should be fun for the market that it was made for.
 
I think we must consider the test window that snowmobile manufacturers deal with. There are only a few good months in any given year within which these new machines can be tested and refined. Sure, they can spend countless hours all year long in front of a computer doing Solid Works models and running simulations, but any good engineer always makes his/her money when the rubber hits the road. They are dealing with very limited test time, serious market constraints and the need to constantly revamp and rework in order to stay competative. Even though Ski-Doo is currently #1 in sales, I really think Yamaha is driving the market right now. The other manufacturers seem to be confused about the direction of the market and Yamaha has clearly determined their focus and decided to forge ahead and blaze new trail. A business philosophy like that will usually put you on top.
 
For what it's worth, Yamaha claims their sled sales have increased 36% and that all other mfg's combined have went down by that same %. I guess they must being doing something right.
 
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