the "skinny" on yellow bottles of HEET

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I wanted to bash YAMALUBE but NOW IS THE SEASON to bash HEET!!!! If you look on the side of the gas pump at the filling station next time you fill up your beast,, PLEASE look at the sticker that says CONTAINS METHANOL 10%... Then go over to the garbage can (usually next to the pump) and pull out one of those little YELLOW BOTTLES of HEET... Turn the heet bottle to the back and read the ingredients.. It says CONTAINS METHANOL.. ( NOW THE RED bottles are different).. NOW, look at the side of the pump,, read the sticker,,,and then look at the bottle... DO YOU GET IT YET????? Let me spell it out for you... A gallon of gasoline has 128 fluid ounces.. 10% of 128 is 12.8 ounces.. Considering every gallon of gas that you just pumped into your car ALREADY HAS 12.8 ounces of HEET in it already,,, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU NEED ANOTHER BOTTLE OF HEET?????? THERE are already more than 20 bottles of HEET in your gas tank already!!!!! WHY DO YOU NEED ANOTHER ONE??????? It drives me INSANE when I see people buying those little bottles of HEET!!!!!!!! Granted it does not apply to EVERYWHERE as of yet.. but eventually it will... I think the EPA mandates it within 100 miles of a metropolitan city of 1 million or more,, but they change the rules ALL THE TIME!!!! Look at the sticker on the side of the pump.. Believe me, it's usually there.. If it says CONTAINS METHANOL,, you DON'T NEED HEET.... Gary Oles nosboy :rulez:
 

Heet works by absorbing water in the fuel. The stuff you pump may have already absorbed it, but yes If I need it, I only get the red.
 
2 different types...methanol bases vs Isopropyl alcohol based. They work on 2 different principals. I sell methanol & iso in drums & know how they work & react.
 
I am talking about the YELLOW BOTLES OF HEET (methanol) NOT THE RED BOTTLES!!!
 
My point is that there ALREADY is more than 2 gallons of HEET in the tank BEFORE you throw another bottle of that stuff in there!!!! gasoline burns at, lets say, 18,000 BTU's... ALCOHOL on the other hand, burns at, lets say, 6,000 BTU's. Considering that an Internal combustion engine is REALLY NOTHING MORE than a HEAT PUMP,,, Why would ANYONE EXPECT to gain ANYTHING by using alcohol???? The alcohol dissapates water and collects moisture and turns it into golbules of water... Considering that gasoline is lighter than water, the alcohol seperates the water from the gasoline and the water FREEZES SOLID in the bottom of your tank!!! Most people will NOT see water in their gastank, because all the water usually is at the bottom of the holding tank underground... USUALLY the underground temperature stays around 50 deg F. so thwe water will just slosh around in the holding tank until removed by the company!!! WHENEVER you see a fuel truck dumping fuel at a gas station.. A GOOD RULE OF THUMB is to either WAIT a few minutes AFTER he is finished dumping or FIND ANOTHER STATION .. When a tanker dumps fuel, it disturbes all the sediment and water on the bottom of their holding tank and SOME JUNK MAY be sucked up in the pickup tubes and pumped into your TOYS!!!! All the HEET in the world isn't going to help you then!!! Gary Oles nosboy
 
Alcohol was introduced in the early 1980's to promote CLEAN AIR.... Just as General motors and Ford put "smog pumps" on their cars (to blow fresh air into the exhaust to dilute the exhaust gasses), The "engineers" came up with an idea to DILUTE the fuel... Considering that alcohol WOULD burn (although NOT at the same level as gasoline), they could DILUTE your gasoline with something that DOESNT produce unburned hydrocarbons.... Lets say that your motor releases 100 ppm hydrocarbons using regular fuel... Fuel diluted with alcohol (10%) would reduce your hydrocarbons to 90 ppm!!!! Lets take , for example your car releases 4 cubic feet of exhaust per minute. if you take an air compressor and SQUIRT another 4 cubic feet of FRESH AIR into your exhaust pipe, your car would release 8 cubic feet of air per minuts.. if your unburned hydrocarbons were at 100ppm at 4 cubic feet, they NOW WOULD BE 50ppm at 4 cubic feet... (or 100ppm @ 8 cuft).. Thats what an AIR PUMP DOES.. So you see, it's another way of reducing emissions.. Does it really reduce emissions??? or does it just cover up a problem by MASKING it and diluting it????? WHY do you think the "tree huggers" are so UP IN ARMS about snowmobiles????? a 700cc snowmobile compared to a 5700cc (smallblock chevy) motor, the 700 cc motor USES MORE FUEL and gets WORSE gas mileage than a smallblock chevy.. The snowmobile PRODUCES TEN TIMES more pollutants than the smallblock chevy produces!!!!The unburned hydrocarbons ALONG with the BURNING 2 STROKE oil produces emissions that are DEPLORABLE!!!!! I can see why the "tree huggers are so pissed off!!!... Bottom line,,,, heet will only slow you down and it has VIRTUALLY no POSITIVE effect throwing it into your fueltank!!!!Gary Oles nosboy
 
you really have a hard time sticking to a topic don't you.

remember, not everywhere has the same fuel mixes as Chicago.

sounds my first post was correct, just unlikely with 10% fuel.

as for the Airpump thing, you must realize that your ratios are way off. I was under the impression that while generaly worthless, airpumps did have a catylitic effect on hot exhaust gasses.

Dodge also used airpumps. I think freshairpumps got thier start in the late 60's and continued pretty much as long as carbs did. by the mid 80s Ford was using 2 airpumps on some engines.

as far as polutants per hp. lawn mowers and the like are worse than snowmobiles. I also never understood why high sulfer diesel is OK in bulldozers and reefer units, just as long as its not burned to power a vehicle down the road.

I noticed the Kettering clean snowmobile challenge vehicle was at Novi. basicly they set up a Polaris 4 stroke to run on E85. The guys there had a good point; 110 octane E85 would be lots cheaper and easier to get a hold of than racing fuel. that would be they way to go with high performance sleds.
 
I was just using the ratios so people would understand.. i realize a 5.7 litre flows differently than a 2.3 litre.. The e85 thing has advantages and disadvantages.. Alcohol is a REALLY BAD fuel to try and get started when its TWENTY BELOW outside!!!! the e85 is significantly better,,,but,,,, when people flood out their vehicles this winter, you'll see e85 isn't all that its cracked up to be!!!! As far as RACING FUEL goes,,,, THEY DO HAVE some good points.. You can stuff a LOT MORE alcohol into a motor than you can gasoline!!! Like 4X the amount!!!! More fuel= more horsepower!!! A friend of mine played with an ALCOHOL-NITROUS nostalgia dragster... needless to say,, It didn't work too well!!! A lot of us learn by our mistakes and a lot f us are arrogant and we think we know everything!!!! I'm somewhere in between!!! gary Oles nosboy
 
heet sucks if found just a cheap bottle of gas line antifreeze to be much better(alcohol)


Oh and is this going to be another thread that needs to be closed.
 
E85 has about 75% of the energy of gasoline, but flex fuel vehicle only drop to 80% mpg when using E85 by taking advantage of the higher octane rating I imagine.

The real potential for E85 is getting a vehicle optimized for E85. the flex fuel vehicle are optimized for gasoline but can handle E85 (except for the flex fuel Taurus that I hear runs like crap on E85).

Turbos should give the ability to really use the E85 by varying the boost.

The only place I've heard of it around here that had E85 was only a nickel cheaper than petrol based gas, so until I find E85 at least 15% cheaper than gas, I'll stick to gas in the Avalanche.
 
I think the air pump dillution theory is a bit far fetched. My understanding is that the extra oxygen was needed for oxidation. The a/r is controlled now to eliminate this problem in the three way cat.
 
aSRX600guy said:
Turbos should give the ability to really use the E85 by varying the boost.
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well they would be, if there was an auto maker out there that was willing to spend the bucks on an electronic boost controller.

I guess maybe mercedes or somebody like that.
 
well they would be, if there was an auto maker out there that was willing to spend the bucks on an electronic boost controller.
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How do you think the diesel trucks double their boost by adding a computer chip? Electronic wastegate sound farmiliar?
 
vipertripplexxx said:
How do you think the diesel trucks double their boost by adding a computer chip? Electronic wastegate sound farmiliar?
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that's what i was thinking, i thought they had electronic gates on them.
 
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