BS or for real?


Jet engine techology includes water injection to improve power and efficiency. The water is atomized as it is injected which then quickly evaporates creating increased levels of oxygen and hydrogen in the fuel/air charge. So enriching your fuel/air charge with more oxygen and/or hydrogen is something that is practiced everyday. However, I cannot speak to the technology the website is trying to sell because I have never heard of it.
Has anyone here ever tried this or known someone that did? I would be very interested if it does actually work because I drive 65 miles one-way to work each day and could really benefit from this technology if it works.
Mills
 
If it really worked the auto makers would offer it as a $10,000 option and sell thousands of them for huge profits. If it sounds to good to be true it always ends up being BS. Never trust a girl with skinny legs that is selling anything other than herself. Your money will disappear into a black hole in Africa. You will never find anybody who bought it that will say it did not work, who wants to admit they were suckered. If it worked the Congress would mandate we all have it to solve the current energy crisis.
In other words, probably does not work.
 
A K MtnViper said:
If it really worked the auto makers would offer it as a $10,000 option and sell thousands of them for huge profits. If it sounds to good to be true it always ends up being BS. Never trust a girl with skinny legs that is selling anything other than herself. Your money will disappear into a black hole in Africa. You will never find anybody who bought it that will say it did not work, who wants to admit they were suckered. If it worked the Congress would mandate we all have it to solve the current energy crisis.
In other words, probably does not work.
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not true. automotive manufacturers have had the technology for years to allow for much much better fuel mileage, only to have that technology shelved in order to reap larger profits. they release a little bit of it at a time in small amounts so that each year there is something "new" to offer. thats why each year the mpg's get better and better. i don't know if its true, but its been rumored that we are something like at least 5-10 years behind on what we could be getting. theres a lot out there they won't relase yet. also take into consideration the cost of tooling for the assembly lines to make these modifications. they engineer better automotives and then engineer a way to release the technology in order to reap the greatest profits. true statement.
 
I would normally agree to the previous post, except the US Automakers are not in a position to hold back anything at this point. If any of them could produce vehicles that were way above the others in fuel mileage it would be a market leader even at a higher price. There isn't anything more important to the average consumer right now.The reality is plants are closing and the fuel mileage on my Tahoe hasn't gotten any better in the last 5 years.

That being said... I know a mechanic that is considering trying a kit similar to this. If he does, I'll post the results.
 
sxviper32 said:
not true. automotive manufacturers have had the technology for years to allow for much much better fuel mileage, only to have that technology shelved in order to reap larger profits. they release a little bit of it at a time in small amounts so that each year there is something "new" to offer. that's why each year the mpg's get better and better. i don't know if its true, but its been rumored that we are something like at least 5-10 years behind on what we could be getting. there a lot out there they won't release yet. also take into consideration the cost of tooling for the assembly lines to make these modifications. they engineer better automotives and then engineer a way to release the technology in order to reap the greatest profits. true statement.
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The conspiracy theory does not work if they are not making a profit and are in danger of going out of business. I have seen a lot of scams and conspiracy theories over the years. I was a certified GM and Honda mechanic at one time. If Honda had it they would put Toyota out of business, GM would bury Ford etc, etc, etc. People are buying Mopeds instead of cars. Car manufactures have everything to lose and nothing to gain by holding back. I of course could be full of S*** but most likely not. The auto manufactures are re-tooling to meet new Federal guide lines any way so why not eliminate the competition.
 
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How about everyone pitches in $10 for someone to order one of these kits and just get it over with. Truth or BS. I'll put up $10 for someone to order this.
 
A K MtnViper said:
The conspiracy theory does not work if they are not making a profit and are in danger of going out of business. I have seen a lot of scams and conspiracy theories over the years. I was a certified GM and Honda mechanic at one time. If Honda had it they would put Toyota out of business, GM would bury Ford etc, etc, etc. People are buying Mopeds instead of cars. Car manufactures have everything to lose and nothing to gain by holding back. I of course could be full of S*** but most likely not. The auto manufactures are re-tooling to meet new Federal guide lines any way so why not eliminate the competition.
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being a mechanic at the plants does not get you all the info, i'm just stating what i have seen and been told. i am an engineer so i get filled in on all that information. just sharing my 2 cents worth. the technology is out there. just look at formula 1 and motogp, that technology is there, but you won't see it for years. point proven.
 
sxviper32 said:
being a mechanic at the plants does not get you all the info, I'm just stating what i have seen and been told. i am an engineer so i get filled in on all that information. just sharing my 2 cents worth. the technology is out there. just look at formula 1 and motogp, that technology is there, but you won't see it for years. point proven.
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There is a big difference between MPG and HP. I'm in for $10 151 Viper just to prove the TECHNOLOGY IS NOT OUT THERE TO DO WHAT THEY CLAIM IS POSSIBLE.
IF I'M WRONG, I'll PAY $100.
 
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There is a guy I work with that is converting his brand new Dodge Nitro to run on a hydrogen assist system. He claims it should show at least a 25% increase in fuel economy. The system has a quart sized container that you refill with a water and baking soda mixture every time you fill the gas tank. The water is charged with 12 volts causing it to discharge hydrogen that is drawn in to the fuel system via a vacuum line. He still needs to remap the computer to acknowledge the added hydrogen. When I hear more I'll post his results.

Tom
 
ViperTom said:
There is a guy I work with that is converting his brand new Dodge Nitro to run on a hydrogen assist system. He claims it should show at least a 25% increase in fuel economy. The system has a quart sized container that you refill with a water and baking soda mixture every time you fill the gas tank. The water is charged with 12 volts causing it to discharge hydrogen that is drawn in to the fuel system via a vacuum line. He still needs to remap the computer to acknowledge the added hydrogen. When I hear more I'll post his results.

Tom
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I am sure we will all be waiting for the results. If it does work I am sure we would all like to know the details of the installation. Thanks

Jamie
 
Any idea on the cost of that kit? The one I am aware of is between $1500 and $2000.

SXViper32 - I hear where you are coming from. For a lot of manufacturing I would agree with you. Unfortunately times have changed and the idea of holding back technology in this area is no longer an option.... or a bargaining tool like it may have been in the past. It just doesn't make sense to think that a company is looking at bankruptcy, yet could have built a superior marketable poroduct... They were just holding back. :)

That being said, I'm sure they could improve fuel economy on any given car. They just need to be able to do that while keeping things reliable and work with the fuel available today. Sure there is the cost of Engineering, but the cost to improve fuel mileage would be small compared to the cost of a complete new model. We seem to keep getting new models, so again it wouldn't make sense that they could easily increase fuel mileage, but just choose not to. Actually if that is the case they might as well keep that "secret" with them when they go under. :) FYI - The longest running GM plant just announced it will be closing it's doors by 2010. It was in business for about 90 years. The local Chrysler plant eliminated it's third shift too. Not good times for the Auto makers.
 
He has about $100 in parts in to it. There is a guy on HCS got his truck done by a guy in Indiana. Complete set up installed for under $650.

http://www.hardcoresledder.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=342739


I am following this pretty closely and if it works well for the guy I work with I'll be sure to get pics and a write up.


BTW, I asked about his warranty on his new Dodge and he said he can remove the system very quickly if he ever had to take it in for serrvice.
 
That is some good real world feedback. Thanks! When trying to read up on this you get a ton of advertising so it is hard to know what to beleive.
 
snowdust said:
Any idea on the cost of that kit? The one I am aware of is between $1500 and $2000.

SXViper32 - I hear where you are coming from. For a lot of manufacturing I would agree with you. Unfortunately times have changed and the idea of holding back technology in this area is no longer an option.... or a bargaining tool like it may have been in the past. It just doesn't make sense to think that a company is looking at bankruptcy, yet could have built a superior marketable poroduct... They were just holding back. :)

That being said, I'm sure they could improve fuel economy on any given car. They just need to be able to do that while keeping things reliable and work with the fuel available today. Sure there is the cost of Engineering, but the cost to improve fuel mileage would be small compared to the cost of a complete new model. We seem to keep getting new models, so again it wouldn't make sense that they could easily increase fuel mileage, but just choose not to. Actually if that is the case they might as well keep that "secret" with them when they go under. :) FYI - The longest running GM plant just announced it will be closing it's doors by 2010. It was in business for about 90 years. The local Chrysler plant eliminated it's third shift too. Not good times for the Auto makers.
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true, but thats not the whole point here. where is all the manufacturing going in the world? the answer is everywhere else but here. we provide the technology, but we cannot provide the workforce cheap enough to make it compared to what we can in other parts of the world. china, japan, mexico, etc. i'm not looking to argue. i know theres a million bogus things out there that people are trying to sell because of the gas prices. look on ebay. people are selling people magnets to put on fuel lines that "line up the molecules to get better fuel consumption". theres a million gimmicks. all i'm saying is that there are several several ways of getting better mpg that auto manufacturers have the technology for but are not releasing yet. its not just them either. its everyone. every manufacturing corporation has a plan as to when they are going to release their technology. nobody like Ford or GM are going under. no way no how. are they moving their manufacturing facilities? for sure. its economics. but they are not going to release their latest and greatest because they are leaving their back-side exposed for the following year, possibly set up for a drastic failure. thats all i'm saying. the technology is out there, they just haven't relased the latest and greatest.
 
do a search on "browns gas", patents are there for a return on your ideas and to make money...also look up browns gas generators and furnaces, made in korea, these companies are using those ideas from stan ....it is just a matter of time
 
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In order to keep water from freezing......keep it warm! That's some amazing reading about Stan's car. I expecially like the part about conspiracy theory and how he may have been killed by big oil! Classic stuff.

Madmatt
 
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