Vector88
New member
hey im having second thoughts abotu getting the bender vip triple pipes for my viper. i want to know if they are a good choice in triple pipes for my viper. im only new at this and i dont want no big problems. i heard that these pipes cause most vipers to burn down. is this true? any guys with bender pipes on vipers out there that got a good/ bad word on these pipes for me? also, was your jetting all the same in all 3 carbs?
progold
New member
If your worried about bender pipes you should be worried about all pipes i dont run pipes myself on my viper just clutching keeps the viper reliable and still good on gas,in my opinion there are alot of second hand pipes out there for sale and the majority of these pipes are comming from vipers ,but on the other hand i did read a thread just yesterday from a member that he has over 800 miles on his triple piped viper and i do beleive they are bender pipes,if you do your homework and jet properly and do the clutching you should have no problem with your pipes.
mod-it
Member
I've had SLP's on my Viper since new, 2800 miles with no issues.
My uncle has had Benders on his '02 Viper for three or four years now around 3500 miles, no issues. Just take the time to check jetting in all three ranges several times, especially when its colder than usual. My uncle doesn't ride in an area that there's a lot of room to run his wot for extreme lengths of time, but I do quite a bit of long wot runs hill climbing. I think the most important ranges to check are mid-range, where the most consistant throttle trail riding is done, and after a good run at wot.
It makes no sense that one brand of pipe would burn down sleds more than another. Bender pipes have probably burned down more Vipers than any other brand because they are notorious for making excellent add-ons for Yamaha, and there are twice as many Vipers out there with Benders than any other brand. IMO, people that burn down their sleds because of pipes didn't pay close enough attention to their jetting in the beginning, or they didn't clean their carbs after storing their sleds. Think about it, most people take their sleds to the shop to have mods done. The shop tells them to check their jetting, as they only have a base line to go from. Guy goes out, MAYBE pulls his plugs one time without using the proper throttle procedure, doesn't know how to read them very well anyway, and then runs the hell out of it trying to whoop his buddies with his new pipes. I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no reason why triple pipes would reduce the dependability of a sled if they are set up properly. I'm sorry to kind of "go off" about this, but I'm getting tired of hearing about how pipes take away from a sled's dependability. We've had an 85 Phazer with a PSI pipe on it, an '88 Exciter with a PSI pipe, a '91 Phazer with an Aaen pipe on it, a '94? V-Max 600 with twins (can't remember what brand now), '98 SRX with Aaens, and the two Vipers mentioned above. Phazer had around 5000 miles on it when sold, never a problem. Exciter had about 4500 miles, no problem. '91 Phazer 5500 miles, no problem, this one is now owned by a co-worker of mine, still going strong. V-Max had 3500 miles, no problem. '98 SRX has 5800 miles, owned by my cousin, still works over a lot of newer sleds drag racing. None of these sleds ever burned down, got rebuilt, nothin.
Put whatever pipes on your sled, JET IT CORRECTLY, get clutches set up correctly, and enjoy the "woke up" sled you now have.
My uncle has had Benders on his '02 Viper for three or four years now around 3500 miles, no issues. Just take the time to check jetting in all three ranges several times, especially when its colder than usual. My uncle doesn't ride in an area that there's a lot of room to run his wot for extreme lengths of time, but I do quite a bit of long wot runs hill climbing. I think the most important ranges to check are mid-range, where the most consistant throttle trail riding is done, and after a good run at wot.
It makes no sense that one brand of pipe would burn down sleds more than another. Bender pipes have probably burned down more Vipers than any other brand because they are notorious for making excellent add-ons for Yamaha, and there are twice as many Vipers out there with Benders than any other brand. IMO, people that burn down their sleds because of pipes didn't pay close enough attention to their jetting in the beginning, or they didn't clean their carbs after storing their sleds. Think about it, most people take their sleds to the shop to have mods done. The shop tells them to check their jetting, as they only have a base line to go from. Guy goes out, MAYBE pulls his plugs one time without using the proper throttle procedure, doesn't know how to read them very well anyway, and then runs the hell out of it trying to whoop his buddies with his new pipes. I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no reason why triple pipes would reduce the dependability of a sled if they are set up properly. I'm sorry to kind of "go off" about this, but I'm getting tired of hearing about how pipes take away from a sled's dependability. We've had an 85 Phazer with a PSI pipe on it, an '88 Exciter with a PSI pipe, a '91 Phazer with an Aaen pipe on it, a '94? V-Max 600 with twins (can't remember what brand now), '98 SRX with Aaens, and the two Vipers mentioned above. Phazer had around 5000 miles on it when sold, never a problem. Exciter had about 4500 miles, no problem. '91 Phazer 5500 miles, no problem, this one is now owned by a co-worker of mine, still going strong. V-Max had 3500 miles, no problem. '98 SRX has 5800 miles, owned by my cousin, still works over a lot of newer sleds drag racing. None of these sleds ever burned down, got rebuilt, nothin.
Put whatever pipes on your sled, JET IT CORRECTLY, get clutches set up correctly, and enjoy the "woke up" sled you now have.
Mighty
Member
Excellent, accurate post mod-it!
mopar1rules
Active member
mod-it said:
benders i thought i remember hearing have a smaller stinger diameter, which kicks alot of heat back into the engine/piston. might be one of the reason for more burn downs vs other pipes. also, its true that proper setup is a must for reliability and proper function. that goes true for every pipe or "add on" part.
more incorrect "hear say", benders viper pipes have a large stinger to reduce heat, they run in the peak of the timing curve on a viperwhich is also the need to run such large jetting, they cool the piston with fuel. CPR has the smallest stingers,thats why they are the quickest in a drag race, they simply build heat faster.
mopar1rules
Active member
mrviper700 said:
i specifically said "i thought"....i didn't say i was positive....lol. i just remember hearing about a viper a/m pipe having small stingers, and i thought it was the benders. it must have been the cpr's i heard about. i remember the benders running on the peak timing curve thing.
mrviper, you know why bender wants the pto cylinder fatte,r versus aaens wanting the mag cylinder fatter? i'm pretty sure the mag is the hottest cylinder of the bunch. please info us of the reasoning to bender wanting the pto side fatter, so there is no more "false" or "hear-say" info posted.
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