Hi guys,
I have a weird trouble with my VK540 2002:
At idle, it run only on the MAG cylinder, the sparkplug on the PTO side is always wet. As soon as I give it a little throttle both cylinder run fine and the motor run very well.
I've changed everything: sparkplugs, the whole generator assembly, the ignition coil, everything!!! I took all the parts on my father's good running VK, and this thing still running on 1 cylinder at idle.
Also, I switch the reed valves assembly from the PTO side to the MAG side, and the PTO cylinder still not running.
It look like it getting too much gaz at idle only in the PTO side.
The crank seals look fine.
Any idea?
I have a weird trouble with my VK540 2002:
At idle, it run only on the MAG cylinder, the sparkplug on the PTO side is always wet. As soon as I give it a little throttle both cylinder run fine and the motor run very well.
I've changed everything: sparkplugs, the whole generator assembly, the ignition coil, everything!!! I took all the parts on my father's good running VK, and this thing still running on 1 cylinder at idle.
Also, I switch the reed valves assembly from the PTO side to the MAG side, and the PTO cylinder still not running.
It look like it getting too much gaz at idle only in the PTO side.
The crank seals look fine.
Any idea?
Maim
Super Moderator
sounds like a sticky ring to me. give it a shot of seafoam or ringfree. uncles buddy had this problem with his and it seemed to cure it.
Does an engine can have a sticky ring and still run fine at WOT???
Maim
Super Moderator
well that is what his was doing except on his it was the mag side piston. kept fouling the plug in that hole. we dosed it with seafoam and fresh gas and he has not had the problem since. of course he is using it more now than before so that will help as well.
try a compression test and see what the # are.
try a compression test and see what the # are.
SRX500_129
New member
i think its a burned colv, check the compression.. you should know when you try to start it, that its no compression on this Cylinder.
I've just checked the compression, 105 psi on both sides, what's are the normal psi for a VK 540?
9801srx
Member
i ahd one doing the same thing and it was the gasket blown out on the base of the cylinder.usually this would cause a lean burn down but on the vk it just caused it to idle on one cylinder ,above idle it was fine.
9801srx said:i ahd one doing the same thing and it was the gasket blown out on the base of the cylinder.usually this would cause a lean burn down but on the vk it just caused it to idle on one cylinder ,above idle it was fine.
When the gasket was blown, did you see some oil leak around the base of the cylinder?
The next step will be tearing-up the whole engine appart I guess.
9801srx
Member
i think there might have been some oil around the base gasket.but the sled was used for a long time with the problem.i found the gasket blown out after checking every thing else i could think of checking ,decided to pull the cyl for a look and noticed the gasket sticking out down between the two cyls at the base of the transfer port.
srv540
Member
thats a little low, a 540 fan should be around 120psi
DeepSnow said:I've just checked the compression, 105 psi on both sides, what's are the normal psi for a VK 540?
Maim
Super Moderator
depends on his gauge. as long as both cylinders are the same or within 10lb on the gauge it is fine.
never heard of the gasket one mentioned above. could be that. try re-torquing the heads and jugs to see if that makes a difference.
never heard of the gasket one mentioned above. could be that. try re-torquing the heads and jugs to see if that makes a difference.
I've got all the gaskets and seals, I will open the whole engine this weekend and check everything.
Hi,
Take a look at the PTO side piston:
The ring is bend!!!
How can this happen?
I've removed the cylinder very carrefully, I don't think the ring can hang somewhere.
Take a look at the PTO side piston:
The ring is bend!!!
How can this happen?
I've removed the cylinder very carrefully, I don't think the ring can hang somewhere.
SRX500_129
New member
they most been heated up because maybe the oilpump does not work? check it out.
SRX500_129 said:they most been heated up because maybe the oilpump does not work? check it out.
The oil pump work fine.
Also, the crank seal is worn out on the PTO side.
9801srx
Member
looks to me that the ringd must have been stuck in the ring grooves at some time and the blow by got the ring hot enuf to deform them.you can see that the ring was not even touching the cyl in the picture .the rings should be shiny all the way around if they were sealing properly,not shiny in some spots and black in others.if pistons are in spec make sure to clean out the ring groves before putting on new rings.also check to see if the cyl's are in spec (out of round and taper). oh ya how were the cyl gaskets?
9801srx said:looks to me that the ringd must have been stuck in the ring grooves at some time and the blow by got the ring hot enuf to deform them.you can see that the ring was not even touching the cyl in the picture .the rings should be shiny all the way around if they were sealing properly,not shiny in some spots and black in others.if pistons are in spec make sure to clean out the ring groves before putting on new rings.also check to see if the cyl's are in spec (out of round and taper). oh ya how were the cyl gaskets?
Cylinder gasket seem to be OK and the cylinder and piston are in great shape, I will install new ring only on both pistons.
Also, both crank seal were bad.
SRX500_129
New member
9801srx said:looks to me that the ringd must have been stuck in the ring grooves at some time and the blow by got the ring hot enuf to deform them.you can see that the ring was not even touching the cyl in the picture .the rings should be shiny all the way around if they were sealing properly,not shiny in some spots and black in others.if pistons are in spec make sure to clean out the ring groves before putting on new rings.also check to see if the cyl's are in spec (out of round and taper). oh ya how were the cyl gaskets?
if you look at det second picture you will see that the piston and rings have a burned place, and a place that is not burned. last time i fixed a problem like that, it was because of no oil ..
I've replaced both ring set , all the gasket and seals, now the engine run like a new one!
The ring is shiny all around, the black spot you see in the picture are the result of bad lightning and shadow.
looks to me that the ringd must have been stuck in the ring grooves at some time and the blow by got the ring hot enuf to deform them.you can see that the ring was not even touching the cyl in the picture .the rings should be shiny all the way around if they were sealing properly,not shiny in some spots and black in others.if pistons are in spec make sure to clean out the ring groves before putting on new rings.also check to see if the cyl's are in spec (out of round and taper). oh ya how were the cyl gaskets
The ring is shiny all around, the black spot you see in the picture are the result of bad lightning and shadow.
Sxr700Bandit
Triple Piped 700 Triple
Was this motor apart before? The ring may have been bent during assembly. Age is your worst enemy when it comes to crank seals. Glad to hear you got it going again.