hereismylife
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I know this is a snowmobile site, but I believe the following information will be of importance to many people here. As of early February this year, youth ATVs and motorcycle have been banned for sale in the USA. The ban has to do with lead content in any product targeted at people 12 years old and younger. Youth ATVs and motorcycles are specifically banned in the legislation. If you don't believe me, just call your local dealer and see ask them about youth ATVs or motorcycles. I believe the ban also includes youth snowmobiles as well.
NOW THIS IS THE WORST PART OF THE LEGISLATION! IT IS NOW ILLEGAL TO SELL PARTS FOR YOUTH ATVS AND DIRTBIKES AS WELL! So, if you already have a youth ATV, motorcycle, or snowmobile you will no longer be able to buy parts to maintain the machine. Please take action today and write your local and state representatives. You can write them online at the following site:
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/directory/congdir.tt
After sending to the first, make sure you check the box to 'Remember me' and all your info will be remembered when you are sending to the other representatives. After you write your first representative, you can copy and then past the content into the remaining letters to speed the process.
PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO ALL YOU KNOW WHO MIGHT HELP SUPPORT OUR CAUSE!
I'm not going to cross post this yet, but maybe some of you that check out the other areas of TY could put up a post similiar to this, or just a post that points to this post. I believe that this issue is worthy of cross posting to every area of this site.
Maybe we could even get one of the moderators to look into a way of being able to gather names and addresses in support of a petition lifting the ban?
Thank you for your time!
NOW THIS IS THE WORST PART OF THE LEGISLATION! IT IS NOW ILLEGAL TO SELL PARTS FOR YOUTH ATVS AND DIRTBIKES AS WELL! So, if you already have a youth ATV, motorcycle, or snowmobile you will no longer be able to buy parts to maintain the machine. Please take action today and write your local and state representatives. You can write them online at the following site:
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/directory/congdir.tt
After sending to the first, make sure you check the box to 'Remember me' and all your info will be remembered when you are sending to the other representatives. After you write your first representative, you can copy and then past the content into the remaining letters to speed the process.
PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO ALL YOU KNOW WHO MIGHT HELP SUPPORT OUR CAUSE!
I'm not going to cross post this yet, but maybe some of you that check out the other areas of TY could put up a post similiar to this, or just a post that points to this post. I believe that this issue is worthy of cross posting to every area of this site.
Maybe we could even get one of the moderators to look into a way of being able to gather names and addresses in support of a petition lifting the ban?
Thank you for your time!
super1c
Super Moderator
not cool at all
hereismylife
Active member
That is why I posted it. Spread the work 
sandmanmike1
New member
It was because our friends in China like to use lead paint in everything. Parts are still available on ebay I think.
sandmanmike1 said:
I don't think it matters where it was produced. For instance, if it has a battery, it's banned.
I've read recently that resale shops have been complaining that they can not sell used products (toys donated to them for resale). I don't think person to person (private sales) are excempt either.
I've actually got a line on a new Y-80 for Jr. and hope to take delivery soon.
Never miss an opportunity to exploit a crisis... "It's for the chilern".
Welcome to the Obamanation... you ain't seen nothin' yet.
horkn
New member
Private sales are banned as well.
This was posted here on TY a while back, like february 10th when the law was put in place.
Every one needs to sign up/ send a petition and speak up.
This was posted here on TY a while back, like february 10th when the law was put in place.
Every one needs to sign up/ send a petition and speak up.
Misinformed
Sorry guys, but you can't blame this one on Obama. This regulation was put into effect under the Bush administration in 2007. IT DOES NOT AFFECT PRIVATE SALE but it applies to ALL products sold.....books, crayons, toys and even big toys like motorcycles. It gave companies 180 days to lead test EVERY part on a machine that was for sale to "youths" under the age of 12. Parts that have more than 600 parts per million of lead cannot be sold. The fine is $250,000 minimum up to a maximum of $15,000,000. Violators (dealers) are also subject to having all assets "froze" just like you are a drug dealer! Imagine selling a KX65 and then getting fined $250g's for EVERY part with more than 600ppm of lead! Lets see, that $500,000 in fines just for the two ends on the clutch cable! Then they freeze your assets too! Corporate AND personal! Now honestly, who is going to let their kid eat or even lick the ends of his clutch cables! Trouble is that even if a company wanted to do it lead testing would take a minimum of 400 days to complete. The 180 day limit the legislation allowed for manufacturers was up in February and that's when the $hit hit the fan. My kid is 11 and races motocross on an 85. As a result of the legislation the manufacturers (Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki)have reacted by increasing the "suggested age" for 85 cc dirt bikes (and ATV's too I believe) from 8 years of age to 12 years or older. What this means is that they can still sell them.....and the parts that they require because the legislation only applies to products for kids under 12. So, I, as a parent now run the risk of getting endangering the welfare of a child charges pressed if my 11 year old gets hurt on a bike that is recommended for 12 years and older! The true "youth" models like 50cc bikes and stuff that have a "suggested" age limit of less than 12 years old are indeed banned along with the parts just as indicated above. I've heard from friends racing down south that the pits have turned into a giant swap meet for all the youth bikes because nobody can get parts anymore! What a world!
Madmatt
Sorry guys, but you can't blame this one on Obama. This regulation was put into effect under the Bush administration in 2007. IT DOES NOT AFFECT PRIVATE SALE but it applies to ALL products sold.....books, crayons, toys and even big toys like motorcycles. It gave companies 180 days to lead test EVERY part on a machine that was for sale to "youths" under the age of 12. Parts that have more than 600 parts per million of lead cannot be sold. The fine is $250,000 minimum up to a maximum of $15,000,000. Violators (dealers) are also subject to having all assets "froze" just like you are a drug dealer! Imagine selling a KX65 and then getting fined $250g's for EVERY part with more than 600ppm of lead! Lets see, that $500,000 in fines just for the two ends on the clutch cable! Then they freeze your assets too! Corporate AND personal! Now honestly, who is going to let their kid eat or even lick the ends of his clutch cables! Trouble is that even if a company wanted to do it lead testing would take a minimum of 400 days to complete. The 180 day limit the legislation allowed for manufacturers was up in February and that's when the $hit hit the fan. My kid is 11 and races motocross on an 85. As a result of the legislation the manufacturers (Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki)have reacted by increasing the "suggested age" for 85 cc dirt bikes (and ATV's too I believe) from 8 years of age to 12 years or older. What this means is that they can still sell them.....and the parts that they require because the legislation only applies to products for kids under 12. So, I, as a parent now run the risk of getting endangering the welfare of a child charges pressed if my 11 year old gets hurt on a bike that is recommended for 12 years and older! The true "youth" models like 50cc bikes and stuff that have a "suggested" age limit of less than 12 years old are indeed banned along with the parts just as indicated above. I've heard from friends racing down south that the pits have turned into a giant swap meet for all the youth bikes because nobody can get parts anymore! What a world!
Madmatt
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^^^Ditto... I'm not speaking for dems or rep, but it cracks me up how people like to point the finger at an adm that has only been in office for a few months. This was put into affect a long long time ago and would have continued and/or will remain in place regardless of the admn.
To be more specific, Bush signed it back in August and if you'd really like to know... only three Republicans voted against it(Mcain not being one of the three). To lump motorsports into it is kind of dumb, but i guess they consider them to be toys if designed for kids under 12yrs old.
To be more specific, Bush signed it back in August and if you'd really like to know... only three Republicans voted against it(Mcain not being one of the three). To lump motorsports into it is kind of dumb, but i guess they consider them to be toys if designed for kids under 12yrs old.
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hereismylife
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From what I have read they are trying to fight this. I wonder what the future holds. Anyhow they should of atleast just stopped production and then all the rest would of came to and end in good time. 
horkn
New member
OMG , I did not even read that someone blamed this on Obama!
That is ludicrous to make that statement.
That is ludicrous to make that statement.
xt700
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looks like mini sales in southern canada will be booming, is this a possibility for you guys? or is there something in the law that says you cant bring them across the border?
Pat
as for parts im sure some of us up here would be willing to mail you a few things....
Pat
as for parts im sure some of us up here would be willing to mail you a few things....
horkn
New member
XT700 thanks for looking out for us.
I don't think there is any way they can track this. Well, not on say a minibike or something not registered for trail use.
I need parts for my 86 Honda XR80R. And it is for my GF that is well over 18 to learn to ride a bike on, and for my butt to do wheelies on as a pit bike.
I don't think there is any way they can track this. Well, not on say a minibike or something not registered for trail use.
I need parts for my 86 Honda XR80R. And it is for my GF that is well over 18 to learn to ride a bike on, and for my butt to do wheelies on as a pit bike.
horkn said:
Perhaps I wasn't as clear as I should have been. Yes, I'm aware that this went into affect before The One was annointed, with the help of "Republicans" (as they're called these days) from both houses. I gave up on most Republicans shortly after I gave up on all Democrats. I was speaking in a broader sense thus my other comment - "for the chilern".
Is someone suggesting that The One did not support this legislation as a junior Senator?
If you don't think more of this crap is coming, you aren't paying attention.
If you don't think your family's health insurance will be taxed (remember The One beating Mclame over the head with that one?), you aren't paying attention.
If you think sinking an additional 530 M federal dollars into the Detroit Public School system is just dandy (with 54 M unaccounted for in the past 10 years), you aren't paying attention.
I could go on as it seems there is no moderation in getting a far left agenda implimented while everyone is focused in freeken executive bonuses of a once private company. Yup, Bush signed that too (along with McLame and The One) with no apparent oversite as to how the money would be spent.
But hey, at least the big three aren't utilizing thier flying assests.
Sorry I'm not "cracking up" about what's happened over the past few months. Perhaps I'm not ready to strap my son with an 11T dollar debt and if you don't think this is SOP for this administration and it's ilk (the majority of both houses), you aren't paying attention.
But hey again, at least junior won't have access to those wicked, lead based, throttle cables ends. Remember, it's for the Chilern!
Sorry for not making myself clear earlier and also for highjacking this thread.
end rant.
Um
I think it was this statement that made it appear that you were blaming this one on Obama:
"Welcome to the Obamanation... you ain't seen nothin' yet."
I agree with you 100% that there is more unnecessary regulation to come but the statement above sure makes it look like you are blaming this particular regulation on Obama........which is really OK with me, blame all you want.....I'm not president of his fan club either!
Madmatt
I think it was this statement that made it appear that you were blaming this one on Obama:
"Welcome to the Obamanation... you ain't seen nothin' yet."
I agree with you 100% that there is more unnecessary regulation to come but the statement above sure makes it look like you are blaming this particular regulation on Obama........which is really OK with me, blame all you want.....I'm not president of his fan club either!
Madmatt
Careful guys, if this turns into a political rant thread, I'll flush it. Lets focus on what can be done to have certain products excluded from the wholesale ban.
Hey Crewchief!
A little slow picking up on this one dont ya think? LOL! You are absolutely correct though.....people need to write to their legislators, congressmen etc to help try to solve the problem. Sitting back and hoping someone else takes care of it for you doesn't help anyone.
Madmatt
A little slow picking up on this one dont ya think? LOL! You are absolutely correct though.....people need to write to their legislators, congressmen etc to help try to solve the problem. Sitting back and hoping someone else takes care of it for you doesn't help anyone.
Madmatt
Interesting read
Here is somthing I just came accross on the website for our local motocross district.....I was told that the fine was $250k per violation but this article indicates that it is $100k?:
Malcolm Smith To Sell ATVs Next Thursday In Protest
Fines Could Be $100,000 Per Violation
Well, the battle for the right to sell kids ATVs and motorcycles continues to heat up, and it could come to a boil next week.
California motorcycle dealer and industry icon Malcolm Smith says he plans to sell kids ATVs and motorcycles to consumers next Thursday (6 am PST, March 19, 2009) in protest against a federal law that limits the amount of lead that can be contained in products made for children 12 and younger.
The sales could be expensive. The law calls for fines up to $100,000 per violation and a maximum of $15 million for a series of related violations.
And, according to one attorney who is very familiar with the law, there are also criminal penalties of up to five years in jail for a willful violation of the law.
The so called lead content provision is part of the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act (CPSIA) passed last year. The law is enforced by the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC).
The CPSIA and related rules developed by the CPSC ban the sale of ATVs and dirt bikes designed for children, ages 12 and younger. The ban became effective Feb. 10, 2009.
By one estimate developed by the Motorcycle Industry Council (MIC), the ban could cost the powersports industry as much as $1 billion this year.
Dealernews magazine, a leading industry business publication, estimates that the unsold inventory of machines and related parts, accessories and apparel that dealers have pulled off their showrooms and dumped in storage areas totals more than $100 million.
Smiths planned protest is the latest step in the battle for the right to sell these small machines to youths.
The CPSC last week, in effect, tightened the restriction when it ruled that, under the law as written, products for children cant containANY lead absorption into the human body, nor have ANY adverse impact on public health and safety, a seeming departure from the limit of 600 parts per million specified by the law.
Most machines have accessible components that contain some lead, especially those made with alloys such as aluminum and coppervalve stems, brakes, engine parts, for example.
This tough standard makes it virtually impossible for powersports companies to gain any exceptions, ones that Congressional leaders say are available under the law. Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn), a leading proponent of the CPSIA, told me that the agency has the authority to grant exceptions for ATVs and motorcycles.
The CPSC claims it cant do that, and our industry is caught in the middle.
Perhaps more importantly, the stand-off could push children into riding adult-size machines that are too big for them to handle. Do we have to see children injured by riding inappropriate machines before this problem is solved?
Apparently Malcolm Smith isnt going to wait for that to happen. I havent spoken to Malcolm about his protest yet, but it looks as though he intends to force the governments hand in this matter.
Smith isnt just your run-of-the-mill motorcycle dealer. Hes an industry legend a winning racer and star of the movie classic, On Any Sunday.
Smith, 68, was a pioneer in off-road motorcycling. He gained fame for his accomplishments in the Baja 1000 and for his gold-medal winning rides in the International Six Day Enduro competitions, but by far his biggest claim to fame was being a star of the influential 1970s motorcycle movie, On Any Sunday.
The scenes of Smith play-riding with his buddies, which included popular actor Steve McQueen, showed people across the country just how fun motorcycling could be. The movie helped launch an explosion in the popularity of off-road motorcycling in America, notes theAmerican Motorcyclist Association (AMA), in discussing Smith, who is a member of the Motorcycle Hall of Fame.
Smiths dealership, Malcolm Smith Motorsports, recently was named the top dealer in the country by Dealernews magazine.
In announcing plans for the protest, Smith said industry celebrities including Jeff Ward, Jeremy McGrath, Bud Feldkamp andTroy Lee plan to be on hand at the Riverside, Calif., dealership to purchase kids products.
So, here we have an industry icon, who is a small business owner, and arguably, the Number One motorcycle dealer in the country, challenging the authority of a federal agency which is enforcing a lousy law that threatens to put a lot of people out of work and, possibly, unnecessarily endangering a lot young off-r0ad riders.
Im not sure where we go from here. You dont suppose were going to see Malcolm Smith hauled off in chains next Thursday, do you? JD
Contact me with news tips and story ideas
at 952/893-6876 or joe@powersportsupdate.com
Ashley Smith
Rides & Events
Malcolm Smith Motorsports
7599 Indiana Ave
Riverside CA, 92504
(951) 687-1300
ASmith@malcolmsmith.com
Here is somthing I just came accross on the website for our local motocross district.....I was told that the fine was $250k per violation but this article indicates that it is $100k?:
Malcolm Smith To Sell ATVs Next Thursday In Protest
Fines Could Be $100,000 Per Violation
Well, the battle for the right to sell kids ATVs and motorcycles continues to heat up, and it could come to a boil next week.
California motorcycle dealer and industry icon Malcolm Smith says he plans to sell kids ATVs and motorcycles to consumers next Thursday (6 am PST, March 19, 2009) in protest against a federal law that limits the amount of lead that can be contained in products made for children 12 and younger.
The sales could be expensive. The law calls for fines up to $100,000 per violation and a maximum of $15 million for a series of related violations.
And, according to one attorney who is very familiar with the law, there are also criminal penalties of up to five years in jail for a willful violation of the law.
The so called lead content provision is part of the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act (CPSIA) passed last year. The law is enforced by the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC).
The CPSIA and related rules developed by the CPSC ban the sale of ATVs and dirt bikes designed for children, ages 12 and younger. The ban became effective Feb. 10, 2009.
By one estimate developed by the Motorcycle Industry Council (MIC), the ban could cost the powersports industry as much as $1 billion this year.
Dealernews magazine, a leading industry business publication, estimates that the unsold inventory of machines and related parts, accessories and apparel that dealers have pulled off their showrooms and dumped in storage areas totals more than $100 million.
Smiths planned protest is the latest step in the battle for the right to sell these small machines to youths.
The CPSC last week, in effect, tightened the restriction when it ruled that, under the law as written, products for children cant containANY lead absorption into the human body, nor have ANY adverse impact on public health and safety, a seeming departure from the limit of 600 parts per million specified by the law.
Most machines have accessible components that contain some lead, especially those made with alloys such as aluminum and coppervalve stems, brakes, engine parts, for example.
This tough standard makes it virtually impossible for powersports companies to gain any exceptions, ones that Congressional leaders say are available under the law. Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn), a leading proponent of the CPSIA, told me that the agency has the authority to grant exceptions for ATVs and motorcycles.
The CPSC claims it cant do that, and our industry is caught in the middle.
Perhaps more importantly, the stand-off could push children into riding adult-size machines that are too big for them to handle. Do we have to see children injured by riding inappropriate machines before this problem is solved?
Apparently Malcolm Smith isnt going to wait for that to happen. I havent spoken to Malcolm about his protest yet, but it looks as though he intends to force the governments hand in this matter.
Smith isnt just your run-of-the-mill motorcycle dealer. Hes an industry legend a winning racer and star of the movie classic, On Any Sunday.
Smith, 68, was a pioneer in off-road motorcycling. He gained fame for his accomplishments in the Baja 1000 and for his gold-medal winning rides in the International Six Day Enduro competitions, but by far his biggest claim to fame was being a star of the influential 1970s motorcycle movie, On Any Sunday.
The scenes of Smith play-riding with his buddies, which included popular actor Steve McQueen, showed people across the country just how fun motorcycling could be. The movie helped launch an explosion in the popularity of off-road motorcycling in America, notes theAmerican Motorcyclist Association (AMA), in discussing Smith, who is a member of the Motorcycle Hall of Fame.
Smiths dealership, Malcolm Smith Motorsports, recently was named the top dealer in the country by Dealernews magazine.
In announcing plans for the protest, Smith said industry celebrities including Jeff Ward, Jeremy McGrath, Bud Feldkamp andTroy Lee plan to be on hand at the Riverside, Calif., dealership to purchase kids products.
So, here we have an industry icon, who is a small business owner, and arguably, the Number One motorcycle dealer in the country, challenging the authority of a federal agency which is enforcing a lousy law that threatens to put a lot of people out of work and, possibly, unnecessarily endangering a lot young off-r0ad riders.
Im not sure where we go from here. You dont suppose were going to see Malcolm Smith hauled off in chains next Thursday, do you? JD
Contact me with news tips and story ideas
at 952/893-6876 or joe@powersportsupdate.com
Ashley Smith
Rides & Events
Malcolm Smith Motorsports
7599 Indiana Ave
Riverside CA, 92504
(951) 687-1300
ASmith@malcolmsmith.com
Madmatt said:
You're right in that I made it appear that The One was solely to blame. Even though he was one who voted for it, we can place blame evenly throughout Congress and the former Executive.
I guess my point is that we can expect even wilder knee jerk reactions in the future.
Thanks Matt for the additional info and keeping your comments on target.
Sorry Chief and to all that may have taken offense. Now that I'm a dad, the future is so much more important to me. Heck, I never thought I'd make it past thirty.
I understand snomofo... 
I just read it how I saw it.
I just read it how I saw it.
hereismylife
Active member
Thanks for the info
Thanks for the update info madmatt
Thanks for the update info madmatt