thanks for the reply, i know the stoppers on both the clys and valves are worn this is why i need to know what the recomended piston to closed valve clearence is.you can bring the clearence back by milling the surface of the valve that runs paralell to the piston, these valves are in my 780 so i know i have to cut this surface back aprox 2mm to make up for the extra bore size but would be great to know the recomended clearence so i can cut it just right and also to check the other two so i know they are not getting to close. probally good info for all of us with high mileage clyinders and valves,i've seena couple of posts here lately of people with the blade broke off the valve and i'm thinking it could be the valve comming in to slight conntact with the rings which in imo would cause the valve to vibrate bad enuf to break.