shell gasoline question? CANADA

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I was told that shell has the least amount of ethanol in thier gas. This statement came from a friend who is into fast (modded) cars and boats. Is this true? or is there a better station to get my gas from? I live in southern ontario by the way.
 

Canadian premium has zero ethanol except for Husky/Mohawk 94.
 
where i live petro canada, irving, esso, etc all come from the same refinery. so unfortunately, i don't think it is possible to guarantee that any one station has ethanol in it or not. someone correct me if i am wrong.
 
Shell V power 91 premium = 0% ethanol
Esso (imperial) 91 premium = 0% ethanol
Canadian Tire 91 premium = 0% ethanol.
7/11 stores (imperial) 91 premium = 0% ethanol.
PetroCanada/Sunoco 91 contains ethanol.
PetroCanada/Sunoco 94 Gold contains a lot of ethanol, as it is used to boost the octane. AVOID using 94 in your 2 stroke motors.
Ultramar = see PetroCan/Sunoco
UPI/ CO-OP 91 Premium = ethanol
Pioneer ???????
GOCO ??????? The one near me sells Shell oil, so I asked the owner who his fuel is supplied by, and he (Oriental) had no idea????
 
We've had ethanol in Ontario for at least 10 years now. Don't worry about it just ride. The most important thing is detergent so I mostly gas from TopTier stations.

5% ethanol has been law in our gasoline in Ontario since 2007. Today most retailers has up to 10% in all their grade. Some of them just don't put the "May contain up to 10%" stickers on their pump.
 
You have NO idea what you're talking about, and I really hope others here don't follow your wrong advice.
 
dwarf717 said:
You have NO idea what you're talking about, and I really hope others here don't follow your wrong advice.
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While I agree that not worrying about ethanol isn't sound advise when it comes to 2 strokes, his link to the Ontario gubmint site would suggest he's correct regarding the 2007 mandate for 5% ethanol. From what I read at the site, your gubmint says the same silly thing about off-road use fuel being exempt from the mandate but like us in Michigan, if the pump is accessable by auto, it isn't exempt. Ain't ANY marinas open where I ride.

I think my Ontario brothers would be wise to consider that what you're putting in the tank is at least 5% ethanol regardless of who you're getting it from. I'd assume (scarry I know) that most stations are privately owned and just 'cause it has a big name sign out front doesn't mean you're putting that fuel in your tank. This practice and been going on for some thirty years at least here in the states (saw it first hand when I was a pump jocky and worked midnights).

If you were an owner and you had customers asking you if you only got your fuel from sign out front, would you chase them away by telling them the truth? The profit margin is low enough as it is and most stations don't make any money from fuel sales. What keeps them in business is coffee, candy gum and smokes.
 
i was also under the impression that pretty much all gas was E10. is the whole shell thing an urban legend or has someone actually tested it. i just tested some 92 octane that i bought locally and it had ethanol in it, probly E10, no stickers on pumps. while i understand that alcohol is potentialy dangerous for 2 strokes, i've watched people pour bottles of isopropyl down their tanks for years "just for peace of mind". i think a lot of motor burndowns get blamed on fuel but are really caused by mechanical problems. my only evidence is that "most" gas is E10 and "most" people have no problems with it.
 
BigTimeFarmer said:
and in advance, i understand that i may have a slight conflict of interests when it comes to biofuels!
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IMO - burndowns related to E10 are real along with the other issues related to f'glass fuel tanks in boats. I think the assumption in Canada (right or wrong) has been that they don't have ethanol in most of thier fuels yet it appears that may not be the case (in Ontario at least) based on the link PhatboyC provided.

Agreed that I used isopropyl for years but at a ratio of 12 oz per a 10 gallon tank which is less than 1% if my math is correct. We used it to emulsify any water in the tank to avoid fuel line freeze up or throttle body iceing rather than it's current use to raise octane levels.

I think there may be something to the claims that ethanol acts as a solvent and can cause lower end issues although we have had E10 in Michigan for over 10 years and I have yet to experience a lack-o-lube bottom end issue.

I am convinced that storing E10 fuel not only causes issues with carb passage clogging but more catastophically is the cause of many detonation related first ride burndowns on high performance 2 strokes without DCS.
 
all very good info, but i still think that fuel related problems are fairly rare compared to mechanical failures. there are not a lot of different sources of fuel. take the UP for example, on a busy weekend how many snommobiles fill up at the same gas station? hundreds, maybe thousands at some pumps. no doubt some people are gonna blow up and blame it on fuel when they get home even though they've been running the same gas as everyone else in the UP. not trying to say that fuel cant cause a problem, just that fuel is always an easy scapegoat for people who can't figure out why their sled blew up.
 
I agree that for the thousands of regular Joe snowmobile and thier unmodified mid or low performance 2 strokes, E10 won't cause too many issues and yes, fuel is an easy scapegoat. But in the past few years I've seen many first ride burndowns that have two things in common. Summer stored fuel and evidence of detonation. Not to mention the white buggers found in nearly every float bowl or pilot jet I've had in my hand this year.

Many think that as long as the sled starts with the summer stored fuel it must be okay... and again for the thousands of low and mid performance sleds it probably is. But if your sled expects 91 octane and after sitting all summer the fuel in the tank no longer is, Mr. Squeeky shows up.

Couple this with the fact that many don't have the restraint of the throttle to putz along on the first tank (me included).

"man what a great first ride! hey, heres a lake. I'll race ya across - whopwhop - woo-whoo... squeak... aw shoot, whahappen?

I work in automotive fuel systems and aside from different needs related to pump chamber/impeller and brushes, 4 strokes handle up to E85 without any major issues. IMO - 2 strokes are a whole 'nother animal.
 
dwarf717 said:
Shell V power 91 premium = 0% ethanol
Esso (imperial) 91 premium = 0% ethanol
Canadian Tire 91 premium = 0% ethanol.
7/11 stores (imperial) 91 premium = 0% ethanol.
PetroCanada/Sunoco 91 contains ethanol.
PetroCanada/Sunoco 94 Gold contains a lot of ethanol, as it is used to boost the octane. AVOID using 94 in your 2 stroke motors.
Ultramar = see PetroCan/Sunoco
UPI/ CO-OP 91 Premium = ethanol
Pioneer ???????
GOCO ??????? The one near me sells Shell oil, so I asked the owner who his fuel is supplied by, and he (Oriental) had no idea????
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COOP is where I usually pick up my gas and im pretty positive that the 91 contains NO ethanol. It say "may contain ethanol" on the reg pumps only.
 
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