T.S.S. Vs Trailing Arms VS Full A arms.

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I tried to do a search but did not find anything, I just wanted to know the pros and cons of each suspention set up.

Why are the big three getting away from trailing arms? Are the newer set ups that much better?


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Jeff
 
I think TSS would be the lightest set up, all the others seem to have so many more parts. The TSS has a nice contained and finished look without all the exposed rods and springs. I still prefer the TSS look over trailing arm or a-arm.
 
Exciter570 said:
I think TSS would be the lightest set up, all the others seem to have so many more parts. The TSS has a nice contained and finished look without all the exposed rods and springs. I still prefer the TSS look over trailing arm or a-arm.
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Yup me too...less damage too if ya hit somthing
 
The TSS design had some advantages like no bump steer and such. However, from what I was told, they could not keep the size of the canisters reasonable with the advent of longer travel suspensions.

A-arm's are the current trend, must be something to it with all of the manuacturer's going to that design... :WayCool:



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TSS don't have any bump-stear which is a good thing but, this type of suspension also doesn't have any camber gain. Camber gain is what you need to help maintain direction when turning through the rough stuff. An A-arm suspension does have camber gain and the mfr's have done a good job on the geometry to minimize the bump stear making the A-arm front suspension the better of the two for stearing and ride control in the rough stuff.

Mills
 
if you hit a bump with trailing arms, the ski has to move forward as the ski goes up.
with A arms it can move backward, so its smoother. trailing arms keep the sled shorter.
A arms also give a little more controle of the suspension characteristics.

TSS isn't much more than and adaptation of the realy old leafspring front ends. I'm surprised yamaha kept it somewhat competitive for as long as they did.
 
TSS isn't much more than and adaptation of the realy old leafspring front ends. I'm surprised yamaha kept it somewhat competitive for as long as they did.[/QUOTE]


Is not a Strut simply a pressurized gas filled shock ?
 
Exciter570 said:
I think TSS would be the lightest set up, all the others seem to have so many more parts. The TSS has a nice contained and finished look without all the exposed rods and springs. I still prefer the TSS look over trailing arm or a-arm.
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I'm with you 570 !
Yamaha bent to the snowmobile press and media i.e. magazines and such when leaving the T.S.S. and going to the T.A. suspension. Exactly the same as when they were told they could not build a lake racer hence, .......Vmax4 or they could not build a triple..... 97 SX ! Yamaha was slow to update the T.S.S specifications like travel (look at MX Bikes and their travel), the ski stance of Yamaha T.S.S. Sleds always lagged the competition and they only put the adjustable preload on a couple models and never used the adjustable damping but offer this on a G.Y.T. Kit ! The 97 up T.A. Sleds where hailed as the second coming but, if the T.S.S.'s had an Aluminum bulkhead and all the lightweight parts (less weight on suspension), the wider ski stance, adjustable preload & dampening and today’s plastic skis I'll bet the T.S.S. would be perceived differently ? I noticed at the same time all the bikes and ATV's went to the Better T.A. suspension.....................NOT. ! ! !
 
I think TSS would have gotten ALOT heavier with a wider ski stance and more travel. you would need alot more support for the struts as all the wieght wants to transfer straight up instead of twards the center off the sled like trailing arm/A-arm sleds.
 
Exciter570 said:
I think TSS would be the lightest set up, all the others seem to have so many more parts. The TSS has a nice contained and finished look without all the exposed rods and springs. I still prefer the TSS look over trailing arm or a-arm.
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Agree 100% i love the look of the TSS
 
BlueIronRanger said:
I think TSS would have gotten ALOT heavier with a wider ski stance and more travel. you would need alot more support for the struts as all the wieght wants to transfer straight up instead of twards the center off the sled like trailing arm/A-arm sleds.
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I've widened Phazers, Vmax540's and I'm in the process of taking a 90 Exciter out to 41" ski stance and adding the struts/holders and knuckles from a 96 Vmax 600 which has 21/2" longer travel. With the Exciter being considerably lighter than the 94-96 Vmax's I believe this will enable the T.S.S. to work even better ? Guess time will tell ? I've dropped the rear of rear suspension down to compensate for the higher front.
 
B.T.W. From the Vmax540 to the Phazer and Exciter up to the Vmax 5-600's the struts are all the same diameter. All these sleds had a steel frame....Aluminum frames would offset any increase in longer strut weights ?
 
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