Gas additive ? for NOSBOY

Yeah I have read that some do very little in actually raising the octane rating. Just wondered if this one did, or of one that does. Or all they all basically a scam?
 
Im sorry buy i just saw the post.. The use of MMT is an age old theory that raises the octane rating a point or two... I could go into theory for a half an hour but it would probably BORE 99% of the people on this forum... The topic of OLD GASOLINE I have brought up NUMEROUS TIMES!!! I wrote a post on Last years fuel a couple of weeks ago and it explains basically what you encounter when you use a "summer blend" or a fuel that has been in the tank for a while!!! Let me say FIRST,,,before i get into a whole page of rambling,,,THERE IS NOTHING ON THE MARKET AVAILABLE TO MAKE A DIAMOND OUT OF A PIECE OF COAL!!!.. What I am trying to say is,,, you CANNOT put some additive (especially octane booster) in ROTTEN gasoline and expect any improvements other than ROTTEN GASOLINE with octane booster on top of it... Octane booster does not CURE the rotten gas!!! Rotten gas is ROTTEN GAS!!! PLEASE try and MAP out your trip and KEEP AWAY from BOAT MARINAS PERIOD!!!!! Don't buy fuel from a gas station if you SEE A TANKER DROPPING FUEL EITHER!!!! Wait about 15 minutes after the tanker pulls away for the GARBAGE to settle to the bottom of the tank again!!!! i see SO MANY PEOPLE filling up their cars and sleds when the tanker truck is dropping fuel its AMAZING how STUPID people are!!!! Acetone and MEK work well as "octane bosters" but they are VERY DANGEROUS and also cannot be stored in a plastic container (or shook up too much!!!) I tried to E mail the Bardahl company for their MSDS (which will help) and it wouldn't go through.. go on their website and see if you can get them to e mail me a MSDS.. gryoles@aol.com... I can tell you what their recipe will do,,but I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU??????? Why do you think you need OCTANE BOOSTER for a trail sled??? If a sled is spceified by the manufacturer to run on 87 octane fuel,, it will ACTUALLY RUN SLOWER with 93 octane fuel,, NOT FASTER!!!! 87 octane fuel is WAY MORE volatile than 93 octane fuel.. The reason your ROTTEN gasoline doesn't want to burn correctly is because its ABILITY to ATOMIZE has already been atomizing out the vent in the underground tank for a LONG TIME!!! The fuel lost its ability to turn into a vapor.. THUS its TRYING TO BURN A LIQUID!!! WE ALL KNOW THAT LIQUIDS DON'T BURN!!!! It also decomposes into other byproducts (varnish to be EXACT) Varnish has the BTU rating of about 2000 ( I am exxagerating) and 87 octane fuel (fresh without alcohol) about 18,000 BTU's.. Alcohol, on the other hand burns around 6000 but's...So you see ALCOHOL is another BAD IDEA as an additive... We can get into yamaha's Ring free and also SEA-FOAM but i think we were talking about OCTANE BOOSTER!!!... Some octane boosters can ACTUALLY raise your octane a HALF DOZEN points,,,but,,, you still need gasoline too!!! Once you've achieved the proper mixture,, ANOTHER CAN OF OCTANE BOOSTER will ACTUALLY HURT your octane rating.. Octane booster actually SLOWS down the flame front somewhat and in all reality DOES NOT ACTUALLY raise your octane rating.. IT DOES HELP WITH OPPOSING FLAME FRONTS (detonation) which can DESTROY a 2 strokes CHEAP ALUMINUM PISTONS,,,but,, I have seen with my OWN TWO EYES that YAMAHA's SINTERED aluminum pistons stand up to a LOT MORE punishment than ANYONE elses pistons on the market.. The sintered metal idea, Yamaha has been using since the dirt bikes of the 1970's with ASTRONOMICAL results!!! in closing,,,, KEEP AWAY from the BAD GAS!!!! Gary Oles nosboy
 
The KLOTZ coxoc is an idea that introduces oxygen molecules into the combustion process.. Kinda like Nitrous oxides work!!! NOT RECOMMENDED for a trail sled.. the added oxygen will actually BURN your motor up without ADDING HIGHER OCTANE FUEL and ALSO more fuel (bigger main jets and metering rods TOO!!! Don't think you can just add bigger main jets and get away that simply!!! you also need (thinner) metering rods!!!! You will get a REAL LEAN condition at half throttle right around the transition period of the carbs!!! (right before the metering rods come all the way out of their bores) be careful with the coxoc stuff!!! gary Oles nosboy
 
PLEASE realize that I am 45 years old and haven't been to school in 20 years!!! the 18,000 btu's and 6000 btu's are just a ballpark (figure of speech) and different fuels have oxygenators and alcohols and additives (like MME and MMT) in them that KNOCK them (numbers) for a loop.... I am just trying to create a scenario that people could understand!!! Gary Oles nosboy
 
and YES,,,I know they can make a diamond out of a piece of coal!!! (its an OLD expression)
 
Gary, SRX's call for premium fuel, not regular. 92 or 93 octane. Problem in Ontario is all the crap they add to the premium, moreso than regular. And ethanol is becoming more prevalent as well.
Thanks for the response.
 
Ethanol burns a little better than methanol.. its just what they use to get alcohol.. Grain alcohol (190 proof) burns substantially better than methanol and ethanol does.. But a litre of grain alcohol is probably around 20.00 or so?????? ( i gave up SMOKING CRACK a while ago and forgot the price of grain alcohol!!!)
 
Sure do... Basically the same theory that a sacrificial anode works on a boat motor...
 
Octane is nother more than a fuels resistance to detonation - the higher the compression, the more resistance you need so the piston can get closer to TDC before the fuel explodes - there are two basic ways to accomplish this - add metals, lead, manganese, ferrocene, etc. (leaded fuels) or add hydrocarbons, toulene, benzine, ether, alcohols, etc. (unleaded fuel) - metal additives resist detonation AND NOTHING MORE - they are metals, they do not burn or create power or extend the lifespan of the fuel - they pass out the exhaust after combustion and that is why they are no longer used in highway vehicles - hydrocarbon additives do alot more - they resist detonation, they create power, and they extend the shelf life of fuel - unleaded race fuel is high in toulene, benzine, and ethers (I stay away from ALL alcohols) - when was the last time you had five gallons of race fuel go bad? - the higher hydrocarbon content is why they don't - when people say that high octane fuel only slows a motor down, it depends on the fuel - dynos have shown that on a 10.5:1 motor that is designed to run on pump gas, the highest horsepower reached was with unleaded race fuel at about 103 octane - the only fuel additive that I am aware of (and I've researched them all) that is pure hydrocarbons, is the Torco Acceleator - it is made up of toulene, benzine, and ethers - metal additives are usually combined with toulene, but I wouldn't use them unless I was running over 13:1 compression - before you use a fuel additive, do a MSDS on it so you know what is in it - stay away from anything that contains alcohol or ethanol - remember, there is absolutely nothing that will stop the phase separation process of alcohol/ethanol - you can slow it way down by raising the hydrocarbon content, but you will never stop it - I could write two pages on this topic and back up everything I've said with websites, but that is my 2 cents for now!! ;)!
 
yammiman said:
Octane is nother more than a fuels resistance to detonation - the higher the compression, the more resistance you need so the piston can get closer to TDC before the fuel explodes - there are two basic ways to accomplish this - add metals, lead, manganese, ferrocene, etc. (leaded fuels) or add hydrocarbons, toulene, benzine, ether, alcohols, etc. (unleaded fuel) - metal additives resist detonation AND NOTHING MORE - they are metals, they do not burn or create power or extend the lifespan of the fuel - they pass out the exhaust after combustion and that is why they are no longer used in highway vehicles - hydrocarbon additives do alot more - they resist detonation, they create power, and they extend the shelf life of fuel - unleaded race fuel is high in toulene, benzine, and ethers (I stay away from ALL alcohols) - when was the last time you had five gallons of race fuel go bad? - the higher hydrocarbon content is why they don't - when people say that high octane fuel only slows a motor down, it depends on the fuel - dynos have shown that on a 10.5:1 motor that is designed to run on pump gas, the highest horsepower reached was with unleaded race fuel at about 103 octane - the only fuel additive that I am aware of (and I've researched them all) that is pure hydrocarbons, is the Torco Acceleator - it is made up of toulene, benzine, and ethers - metal additives are usually combined with toulene, but I wouldn't use them unless I was running over 13:1 compression - before you use a fuel additive, do a MSDS on it so you know what is in it - stay away from anything that contains alcohol or ethanol - remember, there is absolutely nothing that will stop the phase separation process of alcohol/ethanol - you can slow it way down by raising the hydrocarbon content, but you will never stop it - I could write two pages on this topic and back up everything I've said with websites, but that is my 2 cents for now!! ;)!
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GOOD POST!!!! Personally, I think they should have never done away with Tetraethyl Lead,,but,,, tree huggers would disagree!!! I too, could write pages and pages about fuels and oils ( and I HAVE in the past) but why rack my peanut of a brain anymore than it's racked already.. That CRAP got my head spinning in college, and I GET A NERVOUS TWITCH when I bring it up!!! GOOD POST by the way!!!
 
Thanks Gary - there is SO many misconceptions about fuel, octane, and additives it is no wonder guys get confused - it is hard sometimes to put things in "layman terms" without further confusing people - but we'll keep trying, eh? ;)!
 
Good discussion - I have been using this stuff for years. Gary here is your lead still available.

http://www.batterystuff.com/fuel-treatments/OS6q.html

"From the websit"
WHY IS OCTANE SUPREME-130 DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE OTHER ADDITIVES ON THE MARKET TODAY?

Octane Supreme-130 contains 60 grams of genuine tetraethyl lead. Other manufacturer's additives contain lead substitutes, such as ammonium phosphates, amine phosphates, manganese compounds, sodium, sulfur formulas, and others.

There are products that blend a trace of lead with other chemical substitutes so they can advertise a lead product. Octane Boost-130 is the only product with 100% TEL activate (NO SUBSTITUTES) for maximum performance.
 
...Practically all the lead content is burned and deposited on the valves and valve seats...

This was also from the website - personally, I would not run this in anything under 13:1 compression or a situation where I could not get enough octane out of unleaded fuel - try one of the additives I suggested and see if you notice a difference - I think you will be pleasantly surprised!!
 
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