'06 Venture XL fouling plugs

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A friend of mine last Xmas bought a new '06 500XL(485 engine) and since then has gone thru 18 plugs with the unit being back to shop 4 times (has less than 500kms on it). Last time at shop mechanic came out to yard with owner where machine was at, started machine, ran for 1/2 minute or so, quit and couldn't get it re-started. Told owner thats the 'best' it would run and then used forklift to put on deck.
Myself, I'm a Ski-Doo person however I KNOW Yamaha's reputation and quaility so this is a dealer issue. But owner has asked me to help as next closest dealer 480kms away so looking to you guys for some input/ideas.
From day one its been hard to start and keep running. When it does start a person has to stay with machine and play with throttle or it'll quit. It's used, or intended to be, on a trapline with some cabins so it doesn't see much speed, 60-70 kph tops so majority of riding is in lower curcuits of carbs. Often owner has had to replace plugs when trying to do a 30-40 km ride. Seems as though its the PTO side causing most of problems.
At dealership, apperantly, main jets were dropped 2 sizes and oil pump adjusted. I can understand pump adjustment but not mains as machine rarely, if ever uses that curcuit and its not where problem is.
So first of all does anyone know of a possible recall with these machines before I start digging? And what specs are for that machine? Here on TY couldn't find any specs for 2006 models. Closest was 2004 as this unit not made in 2005?
My thoughts would be pilot jets, float jet/seat adjustment and fuel enricher. How does Yamaha's enricher work? Same as most Mikinu's with a plunger and o-rings?
Any help would be much appreciated. thanks
 
From what I've been told they are soaked with fuel. And when machine is running no one rides behind him for stench of fuel.
 
bluewho said:
Man it sounds like a bad fuel pump if the choke is not sticking.
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How does the 'choke' work on these machines? Is it a butterfly in throat or a plunger?
I haven't seen machine yet so don't know what to expect. My first thought would be 'choke' cable adjustment or damage to whatever is in the PTO side carb.
As well are the specs for '04 same as '06? Would think so but.... stranger things have happened!
 
He should call Yamaha customer service (a number may be in the owners manual or search online -it would be Yamaha Canada, different than the US phone number). Have the serial number and dealer name ready.
They should contact the dealer with some things that should be checked. Any correspondence after that should be between the dealer and Yamaha.
 
What year and sled again???

they didn't make a 500 2 stroke(fan?) in '06???


eather a 973cc 4 stroker(triple) or a 593cc 2 stroker(triple)
in the venture line
 
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Did you guys notice he is from Canada? Different market , some different sleds. Just thought I would point that out.

Dave
 
PZ 1 said:
He should call Yamaha customer service (a number may be in the owners manual or search online -it would be Yamaha Canada, different than the US phone number). Have the serial number and dealer name ready.
They should contact the dealer with some things that should be checked. Any correspondence after that should be between the dealer and Yamaha.
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He went so far as to video tape them trying to start machine and sent to Yamaha Canada.... reply was take to dealer.... who said this is best it'll run.
 
bobber said:
He went so far as to video tape them trying to start machine and sent to Yamaha Canada.... reply was take to dealer.... who said this is best it'll run.
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Bull sh*t!!!!

take it to another dealer,, or check your pilot jets thats what runs that
curcut at idle.

that is not normal,there just to lazy to figure it out,,or don't know how..
 
I agree with your comment daman, however nearest dealer is almost 500kms away. Those 485 engines have been around as long as the Fuji 500 so dealers should know them inside out... but mostly they're bulletproof and proven.
He should get on the horn with Yamaha again and tell them what the plan is so doesn't lose 3 years worth of warranty... for what its worth with the local dealer.
 
bobber said:
I agree with your comment daman, however nearest dealer is almost 500kms away. Those 485 engines have been around as long as the Fuji 500 so dealers should know them inside out... but mostly they're bulletproof and proven.
He should get on the horn with Yamaha again and tell them what the plan is so doesn't lose 3 years worth of warranty... for what its worth with the local dealer.
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And i agree with you...LOL,,, Yamaha should do somthing for this guy
he has a warranty it should be fixed,,that IS not normal.

have him ask if they checked the pilots.
 
When I bought my 2000 XL I had to change the pilots and the mains. It ate plugs and was terrible on gas, 150kms and I was empty. Can't remember what I went to, I even had the carbs apart earlier today. The dealer I bought it from had no idea about this. The second dealer said they change the jets in all those machines before they sell them. I'd bet this is the problem.
 
yamaman700 said:
When I bought my 2000 XL I had to change the pilots and the mains. It ate plugs and was terrible on gas, 150kms and I was empty. Can't remember what I went to, I even had the carbs apart earlier today. The dealer I bought it from had no idea about this. The second dealer said they change the jets in all those machines before they sell them. I'd bet this is the problem.
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Me too...
 
Hey Yamaman, what part of the Rock you at? I'm originialy from Baie Verte. My buddy with the '06 is from Deer Lake area.
Any snow back there yet? Mom in Bishops tells me mostly rain up till now, taking any snow away.
 
Sorry to hear some of you guys had problems with your 485's. Havent touched mine and it runs like a champ, and always has, but dont remember what it had in it for pilots, but know what it had for mains, have it written down somewhere.

Id have to agree with the others who said it was dealer setup that is creating this problem. Clearly there is a problem with the jetting, becuase for any machine to run through plugs that often, let alone run through plugs surely means there is something wrong. Maybe compare your pilots with someone else and see if there is a difference in number, and same with mains.

Also, id have to say that there isnt any difference between the venture Xl's through the years, same carbs, same setup, same bland grey paintjob. Only year they didnt sell the Xl in canada was 2002, but they quickly brought it back next year as it was in demand, which is why it is still being sold now.
 
bobber said:
He went so far as to video tape them trying to start machine and sent to Yamaha Canada.... reply was take to dealer.... who said this is best it'll run.
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He cannot give up there.... he should have the dealer contact Yamaha to ask them about it. If they will not do that, he needs to contact Yamaha again and relate what has happened and they should deal with the dealer.

This is Yamaha's problem and he needs to keep after them until the sled is right. Put the problem in their lap and make them take care of it. If, after repeated attempts, the dealer cannot or will not fix it, Yamaha should send a field service representative to the dealer to look at it.



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