Wire Harness / Lighting Question

jwiedmayer

jwiedmayer

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Anybody now enough about the wire harness of the single healight bulb sleds to know where the circled junction is?

I'm giving my HID headlight idea another try. This time I have a hi/lo bulb. Some of you may remember I tried this before but I had two problems one was the bulb only had low beams and the secondly I could not figure out how to charge the battery.

Now I'm working on the charging circuit because I have the hi/lo bulb. My plan this time which I tried and failed was to put a timed relay on the the batter to the HID for ignition and then after the relay timed out to have the stock headlight circuit power the ballast. The problem is the ballast does not like the stock headlight power. What I have determined is that the stock wiring at the headlight is either a/c or a chopped a/c wave. Its not dc.

So know I'm going to try to power the ballast with dc from the battery all the time. The stock charging circuit is only 5amps I beleive which is 60watts. The HID only requires 35watts so this should work. But I'm nervous that the charging circuit will either be over worked or not capable of keeping up with the drain of the HID ballast.

I would like to figure out a way to sap some of the power from the lighting circuit. I think the problem is if I hook the battery to the lighting circuit the regulator is not going to charge the battery and I'm not sure what's going to happen if the charging circuit and the lighting circuit both go to the battery.

I also have a aftermarket regulator/rectifier (http://www.mfgsupply.com/m/c/01-090-1.html) that I was going to try replacing the stock one with and wire both the lighting and charging circuit from the magneto to it. The problem that I'm concerned with is that the lighting circuit is spliced into the mag wire before the regulator. So I don't think the aftermarket regulator is going to like regulate the power in the same manner as the stock. Also I don't think that the universal regulator works the same way. It requires Yellow, To both leads from lighting coil (only one comes out the stock magneto), Black, To ground. Red, To positive lead or battery. My orginal idea was to hook both the lighting coil and charging coil to the yellow leads. But now I'm a little nervous about that. Also this regulator is only rated to 200watts.

Any electrical engineers out there that can provide some help?
 
Too bad its not a 2001 or newer they have a completely different system using a thee phase stator which is rectified and regulated then goes through a smoothing capacitor.

Everything runs on DC

Good luck, it sounds like a good project
 
I am just in the process of trying the same thing but the HIDs that I have I have measured that they consume 8 amps and I am thinking there is no way to make them work on my 99sx. Its frustrating, cause they are bright as heck! I have them mounted in the stock headlight capsule and we hooked to a battery to make sure everything was wired properly and man are they bright!
 
jwiedmayer said:
What hid of hids? Do you have hi and low beams? I rode with low beams on battery power and I really did not like it.
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I took a kit that was for a car and retrofitted it to my sled. I put 2 bulbs into the headlight capsule, one on each side of the existing bulb. I was planning on only running them on Hi beam. I have a relay controlling them and was going to tee into the factory headlight harness for a signal for the relay and thats when I discovered it was an AC system rather than DC. I also found that the DC side of the system AKA Ignition did not provide enough power to ignite the HIDs. Hence, I am kind of stuck as it appears the stock charging system just isn't large enough... :whine:
 
Lol, it must be winter jwiedmayer is working on the HID's again!
Dude I'm rooting for you, I really am. If you ever crack that thing I'll be first in line to put one in my 97'
 
I need a CHEAP stator to fool with. I think I can... NO I know I can get r done. If I actually monkey with the stator I might be able to run dual HID!
 
That would be the icing on the cake. Just need the pod and headlight can. I think that there is actually enough system voltage to do it.

TJ500 said:
you have mail... how do you fit dual in a single lite socket?
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Jwiedmayer

I got your PM, I will look for my old stator tonight. If you have a chance tonight give me a call to remind me. If I have it I will send it to you for free.

I pretty sure I tossed it out when I installed my new one....... but I will look.

Tod
 
Tod no problem. Betheviper is hooking me up with one for 50.00. My stator is practically brand new so I did not want to mess it up. Anyone know if you can get the connectors through the case with out spliting the cases apart?
 
No problem - If I remember i will look for it anyway in case you need another to mess with. I will just send it to you if I find it but I think its gone. And I know it is not good.

Not sure what you are talking about about spiting the cases for the stator. You dont have to split the cases, just remove the flywheel and pull starter........ maybe I'm on a diferent page than what your talking about. And I am picturing my 700SX.

Tod
 
I talked to 800 on this very issue he said it cannot be done he said they tried everything even had the stator rewound for higher out put, I cannot remember all the issues but He said it was alot of work to end up w/ nothing! I hope you can do it!
 
I'm not re-wiring it for more power. More power will not help the situation. The problem is the fricking a/c output so you have to get it to dc.

Therefore you have to float the ground on the lighting coil and use and regulator/recitifier designed to be used with a battery.

My understanding of floating the ground is to remove the one connector of the stator that is hooked to the ground and run the wire back to the reg/rec.

So when I'm done the whole sled will be DC and I'll have a little battery although you could have a large capacitor.

I have been working on this idea for about 3 years. And I think I got it nailed this time. When I get the used stator I'll try the re-wiring I already have the reg/rec. No garuntees but I'm feeling pretty good about attempt 3.

BTW Bischof already has 1st dibbs on prototype #2..LOL

J
 
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If im correct, the 2000 and older use a 250 watt system, and 2001 and up use a 300 watt system, but i could be wrong atleast i know the Vipers had a 300 watt system, correct me if im wrong, please
 
Mark, I'm not sure if your numbers are exact but they sound in the ball park. The HID draws around 10amps or 120watts at startup so this is why I'm opting for a battery. At temp they only require ~35watts or 3amps.. The stock headlight is 55/60watts or about 4.5-5 amps. This means the HID has a surplus. I'm also thinking of using the charging coil for lighting and this is another 2 amps. I already have an led in the rear. This mean with the charging coil I would have ~7 amps which is still a surplus if I wanted to run 2 HIDs.

J
 
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