jwiedmayer
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I have to wait for the weather to test it. But the charging circuits appears to be working.
Wire Harness / Lighting Question
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regert
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jwiedmayer said:
If she works could you give me the low down on what is needed or if you made a kit I would be interested in buying it.
Thanks
jwiedmayer
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Regert,
I found this after I purschased my battery. I'd be interested to know how it works.. It might work with you bottle warmer.
http://www.hiperf.com/cgi-bin/ss000001.pl?SS=114-311&PR=-1&TB=A&SHOP=
I found this after I purschased my battery. I'd be interested to know how it works.. It might work with you bottle warmer.
http://www.hiperf.com/cgi-bin/ss000001.pl?SS=114-311&PR=-1&TB=A&SHOP=
regert
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jwiedmayer said:
link no workie workie, is it the power pak thingy, I saw one of them the other day looks cool might get it and try it out.
Thanks bud
regert
craze1cars
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Cool system and cool idea. Just stumbled across this thread. It looks like you put a lot of work into it. 
Unless I missed it, you make no mention of creating a proper reflector to handle the output of the HID light. HID's bulbs scatter light all over the place when placed in a reflector that's been designed for a halogen. That's why when you drive a car with properly designed OEM HID's, you will notice a very distinct horizontal line at the top of the light output. Halogens don't need this since they are not so powerful to blind oncoming drivers.
This will not be a problem if you're exclusively an off-trail rider, but I hope I never see you coming at me on the trail...I bet you'll be blinding the heck outta everyone....
Or did you do something to the reflector to contain the upward light output?
Unless I missed it, you make no mention of creating a proper reflector to handle the output of the HID light. HID's bulbs scatter light all over the place when placed in a reflector that's been designed for a halogen. That's why when you drive a car with properly designed OEM HID's, you will notice a very distinct horizontal line at the top of the light output. Halogens don't need this since they are not so powerful to blind oncoming drivers.
This will not be a problem if you're exclusively an off-trail rider, but I hope I never see you coming at me on the trail...I bet you'll be blinding the heck outta everyone....
Or did you do something to the reflector to contain the upward light output?
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jwiedmayer
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Its an H4 HI/LO hid replacement. So the arc is the same spot the filament was relative to the reflector. I'll take some pictures when its dark and I have it out.
craze1cars
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I realize that the filament/arc is in the same location...this is not the issue. I do expect that the HID light will reflect in the same pattern as the halogen, but with insane brightness compared to the halogen. As a rule, this is bad news for oncoming traffic.
On most snowmobiles the bulb is visible in the housing (not frankly sure about your 600sx as I don't have one) and there isn't any type of cap or anything to hide the bulb from view. On every HID bulb you see on a car, the bulb and filament is 100% hidden behind a solid "glare cap" of some type. This way only reflected light comes out of the lamp, and NONE of the light is permitted to spill directly out of the lamp and into the atmosphere unless it is fully directionally controlled by the reflector.
I'm pretty certain that if you are actually able to see the glass of the bulb through the lens when the bulb is installed in the lamp, this will be a very unfriendly system for other riders approaching it.
I'm not trying to be a killjoy or anything as I really to give you a lot of credit for pulling this off...and maybe I'm wrong. But you might want to check this situation out sometime for yourself...maybe trade sleds with a friend or something and ride toward each other to see how it looks when approaching. I really think that at a minimum, the bulb needs to be covered somehow in there.
If you check out websites and vendors of aftermarket HID kits and bulbs for cars, any time you buy a system/bulb that does not come with a complete DOT approved lens/housing assembly, you will find the following disclaimers:
THIS PRODUCT IS FOR OFF ROAD USE ONLY. They are not to be used in any driving conditions if the headlight assembly is not designed for the HID kits.
Are these XENON HID light systems street legal?
No. All XENON HID conversion kits, no matter the source, are not DOT approved if installed outside of the factory. Moreover, in the U.S, this is not street legal for use on public roads. As a result, we officially endorse the kit for exhibition and off-road use and will only sell the kit to be used for these purposes. We are not responsible for buyers who violate the terms of sale. They will assume all responsibilities for any unauthorized or unintended use other than exhibition or off-road use.
Do your bulbs come with glare shields?
Our HID systems are designed to mimic the factory beam pattern so if a halogen bulb does not have a shield, nor does the HID version.
While I fully recognize that DOT compliance is completely unnecessary on a snowmobile, there's a big reason they're not legal on cars...and it's because the halogen designed reflectors and housings are not designed to handle the HID glare appropriately, and because there's absolutely no glare shields installed over the bulbs.
Michigan outlawed colored headlamp lenses at night on snowmobiles not long ago due to glare complaints. I imagine if these types of conversions start happening more frequently and they are causing excessive glare, they could take similar action against homegrown HID systems. I dunno...we'll see.
Maybe wander a used Lexus/Acura/BMW dealer or similar sometime and check out the reflector design and bulb placement of various HID systems...they're quite different from Halogen systems, and I think with good reason.
I honestly hope it works out for you...it would be cool. But I just think there's a lot more to consider here than just the electronics aspect of the system.
Over & out....
On most snowmobiles the bulb is visible in the housing (not frankly sure about your 600sx as I don't have one) and there isn't any type of cap or anything to hide the bulb from view. On every HID bulb you see on a car, the bulb and filament is 100% hidden behind a solid "glare cap" of some type. This way only reflected light comes out of the lamp, and NONE of the light is permitted to spill directly out of the lamp and into the atmosphere unless it is fully directionally controlled by the reflector.
I'm pretty certain that if you are actually able to see the glass of the bulb through the lens when the bulb is installed in the lamp, this will be a very unfriendly system for other riders approaching it.
I'm not trying to be a killjoy or anything as I really to give you a lot of credit for pulling this off...and maybe I'm wrong. But you might want to check this situation out sometime for yourself...maybe trade sleds with a friend or something and ride toward each other to see how it looks when approaching. I really think that at a minimum, the bulb needs to be covered somehow in there.
If you check out websites and vendors of aftermarket HID kits and bulbs for cars, any time you buy a system/bulb that does not come with a complete DOT approved lens/housing assembly, you will find the following disclaimers:
THIS PRODUCT IS FOR OFF ROAD USE ONLY. They are not to be used in any driving conditions if the headlight assembly is not designed for the HID kits.
Are these XENON HID light systems street legal?
No. All XENON HID conversion kits, no matter the source, are not DOT approved if installed outside of the factory. Moreover, in the U.S, this is not street legal for use on public roads. As a result, we officially endorse the kit for exhibition and off-road use and will only sell the kit to be used for these purposes. We are not responsible for buyers who violate the terms of sale. They will assume all responsibilities for any unauthorized or unintended use other than exhibition or off-road use.
Do your bulbs come with glare shields?
Our HID systems are designed to mimic the factory beam pattern so if a halogen bulb does not have a shield, nor does the HID version.
While I fully recognize that DOT compliance is completely unnecessary on a snowmobile, there's a big reason they're not legal on cars...and it's because the halogen designed reflectors and housings are not designed to handle the HID glare appropriately, and because there's absolutely no glare shields installed over the bulbs.
Michigan outlawed colored headlamp lenses at night on snowmobiles not long ago due to glare complaints. I imagine if these types of conversions start happening more frequently and they are causing excessive glare, they could take similar action against homegrown HID systems. I dunno...we'll see.
Maybe wander a used Lexus/Acura/BMW dealer or similar sometime and check out the reflector design and bulb placement of various HID systems...they're quite different from Halogen systems, and I think with good reason.
I honestly hope it works out for you...it would be cool. But I just think there's a lot more to consider here than just the electronics aspect of the system.
Over & out....
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jwiedmayer
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Ah, I see what you mean you don't what to look at the mini arc welder coming at you. I thought you where talking about the beam pattern.. Yes its got a hood so you can not directly see the arc. Do you have a little experience with this? Sounded like some knowledge in that post! And I'm always looking for help. I have been on and off this project for at least 3 years.
My camera died after the first picture.. So its kind of crappy.
My camera died after the first picture.. So its kind of crappy.
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craze1cars
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I have absolutely no experience in designing a system, but I'm an appraiser in the collision repair industry at a shop that handles a number of high-end cars, so I've seen and worked on many of the systems...both OEM and aftermarket add-ons. So I totally understand how they function if nothing else.
I assumed your bulb would have that small cap integrated with the tip of the bulb...again not what I'm talking about. Even most newer halogens have something like that. However, an HID glare cap is usually quite large...maybe 3x the diameter of the bulb, and ALL of the glass of the HID bulb is completely hidden from view, not just the tip. I guess my point is, I've never seen an HID system where you could actually see any part of the bulb after it was installed...and I think that's key.
Most people I've talked to who have installed the bulb you picture in their halogen-designed car headlamps have started to run into trouble with the law around here (Indianapolis area) The police have been cracking down on the non-DOT approved conversion systems because they are becoming much more common, and definitely are causing temporary night-blindness for oncoming drivers. Not sure if the rest of the country is following suit yet or not.
Anytime a car comes into the shop I work at for collision work (assuming headlight was damaged in accident)...the shop is not permitted to re-install the non-DOT systems. We must either restore the entire headlamp system back to halogens, or ask the customer to pay for a proper reflector housing assembly (usually $500 to $1,000 or more if available for their particular vehicle) that is DOT approved to make the system legal to return to the customer. Failure to do one or the other opens the shop up to liability for accidents, and we got a notice from somewhere (I can't remember if it was the state? I think so.) that threatened $10,000 fine if the shop was ever found to have installed a non-DOT system in a car.
Of course usually the customer doesn't want to pay that much for a true and proper DOT conversion. So we usually return it to halogen and then hand the customer all their surviving leftover control boxes/ignitors/bulbs, etc in a box, and then I'm sure the customer goes home and re-converts to the HID bulbs on their own after they buy the damaged pieces they needed. But at least it takes the shop out of the liability equation.
Slightly off topic...but the other hot thing around here is people stealing OEM HID headlamps out of cars...just like the good old days when people would break in to steal stereos. Many of the HID headlamps in Acura's, etc cost more than $1,000 EACH. And some clear the $2,000 mark...again EACH. So it's very attractive for a theif to yank one and resell it. A relatively common insurance claim around here: "both headlights were stolen." The rest of the car is usually undamaged unless they had to pry the hood open to get access. I even know of a moron that lives near a friend of mine who actually did jail time for a string of headlight thefts he finally got busted for.
I doubt I can really help much at all...sounds like you've got the whole electronics thing pretty well figured out. Like I say, just test-run it as an oncoming vehicle before you go for long night-time trail rides an see what you would think if that light was coming at you on the trail. Compare with a sled that still has stock headlights. It might be perfectly fine...every headlight design is different so maybe your SX will handle the HID glare OK. And for now at least I doubt you need to worry about the legalities of the lamps on a snowmobile like we do on cars.
I'd recommend you do some Google searches on the topic: "aftermarket HID cutoff" "HID glare cap", "HID glare" or "HID cutoff". There's a ton of discussion out there from the compact tuner group on their experiences with controlling or not controlling the light that spills from these conversions.
Here's one with some nice pics and good discussion: http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f12...een-aftermarket-hid-kit-oem-hid-retro-203383/
And a cool video (not from the US, but still good) that explains the situation: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/videos/featuresvideos/204742/xenon_test.html
Good luck!
I assumed your bulb would have that small cap integrated with the tip of the bulb...again not what I'm talking about. Even most newer halogens have something like that. However, an HID glare cap is usually quite large...maybe 3x the diameter of the bulb, and ALL of the glass of the HID bulb is completely hidden from view, not just the tip. I guess my point is, I've never seen an HID system where you could actually see any part of the bulb after it was installed...and I think that's key.
Most people I've talked to who have installed the bulb you picture in their halogen-designed car headlamps have started to run into trouble with the law around here (Indianapolis area) The police have been cracking down on the non-DOT approved conversion systems because they are becoming much more common, and definitely are causing temporary night-blindness for oncoming drivers. Not sure if the rest of the country is following suit yet or not.
Anytime a car comes into the shop I work at for collision work (assuming headlight was damaged in accident)...the shop is not permitted to re-install the non-DOT systems. We must either restore the entire headlamp system back to halogens, or ask the customer to pay for a proper reflector housing assembly (usually $500 to $1,000 or more if available for their particular vehicle) that is DOT approved to make the system legal to return to the customer. Failure to do one or the other opens the shop up to liability for accidents, and we got a notice from somewhere (I can't remember if it was the state? I think so.) that threatened $10,000 fine if the shop was ever found to have installed a non-DOT system in a car.
Of course usually the customer doesn't want to pay that much for a true and proper DOT conversion. So we usually return it to halogen and then hand the customer all their surviving leftover control boxes/ignitors/bulbs, etc in a box, and then I'm sure the customer goes home and re-converts to the HID bulbs on their own after they buy the damaged pieces they needed. But at least it takes the shop out of the liability equation.
Slightly off topic...but the other hot thing around here is people stealing OEM HID headlamps out of cars...just like the good old days when people would break in to steal stereos. Many of the HID headlamps in Acura's, etc cost more than $1,000 EACH. And some clear the $2,000 mark...again EACH. So it's very attractive for a theif to yank one and resell it. A relatively common insurance claim around here: "both headlights were stolen." The rest of the car is usually undamaged unless they had to pry the hood open to get access. I even know of a moron that lives near a friend of mine who actually did jail time for a string of headlight thefts he finally got busted for.
I doubt I can really help much at all...sounds like you've got the whole electronics thing pretty well figured out. Like I say, just test-run it as an oncoming vehicle before you go for long night-time trail rides an see what you would think if that light was coming at you on the trail. Compare with a sled that still has stock headlights. It might be perfectly fine...every headlight design is different so maybe your SX will handle the HID glare OK. And for now at least I doubt you need to worry about the legalities of the lamps on a snowmobile like we do on cars.
I'd recommend you do some Google searches on the topic: "aftermarket HID cutoff" "HID glare cap", "HID glare" or "HID cutoff". There's a ton of discussion out there from the compact tuner group on their experiences with controlling or not controlling the light that spills from these conversions.
Here's one with some nice pics and good discussion: http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f12...een-aftermarket-hid-kit-oem-hid-retro-203383/
And a cool video (not from the US, but still good) that explains the situation: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/videos/featuresvideos/204742/xenon_test.html
Good luck!
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jwiedmayer
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Here is the wiring that I have found to work. I have about 3 hours on it and it seems to be charging fine. I don't know the long term effect if any on the stator or stock voltage regulator. If you are using hi/lo beam hid you need to do a little more wiring. The trick is to keep the new dc circuit isolated after the rec/reg. And to keep the rec/reg isolated from the chassis.
Here is the wiring that I have found to work. I have about 3 hours on it and it seems to be charging fine. I don't know the long term effect if any on the stator or stock voltage regulator. If you are using hi/lo beam hid you need to do a little more wiring. The trick is to keep the new dc circuit isolated after the rec/reg. And to keep the rec/reg isolated from the chassis.
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BTW the last diagram led to a under charged battery.. I'm not sure if I cooked the battery because it was next to the muffler or what. I have to see what kind of amps are coming out of the rectifier. Voltage is good 14.6.