whats going on with yami suspensions

the proaction needs a stiffer rate spring in the front skid with a soft rear set-up, when pounding the bumps having stiffer front end shock springs help also....now with this set-up your small bump ride suffers...i am presently working on getting an ideal overall set-up because during a 100 or 200 mile ride how often is the trails pounded out where you need to be setup so stiff...and i am yet to ride with anyone on other make sleds that i see them doing much better the torsion spring is better at jumping but fast trail riding i hang right with them....

i did notice while riding hard the torsion spring skids bounce more and that is where the edge to pass lies with the proaction setup while they are in the air the proaction is moving forward.....CP
 

I have tried putting stiffer center shock springs ravalved tyhem all yes the sled handles well in the corners and handles 10 better after revalving them but your still going to break stuff and if your not you don't ride hard you might think you do and even with revalved shocks and different springs it's still not going to ride like a different skid in there.I think some people are in denial,lol
 
pro116 said:
.I think some people are in denial,lol
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Hit the nail on the head!
Why did Yamaha finally abanden the pro-action? Theyve had 9 years to get the set up right and couldnt!! :ORC

I agree that they can be made to ride better than stock. But put the same effort into a Cat ,Polaris,or Doo skid , and guess what, they will ride that much better also.
If you are happy with your Pro-Action, great. But I dont think you know what you are missing!!!
 
thanks for the input guys!!!!

the reason i say the no action suspension blows is because my skid is set=up right for my weight(205lbs)and the last snow fall i rode with a few ski-doo revs and i was hurting bad from keeping up with them on the bumpy trail so i switched with one of them to see the difference i was blown away it was effertless going over bumps,i have not long traveled my suspension but i do not know if i should or go with a new skid!!!!!

can someone tell me if its worth the time or money to long travel
 
even beyond that people can break parts in them, I dont think they ride good. after riding 10 seconds on my viper with the mono I understood what I had been missing :) I am a groomed trail rider and the mono soaks up the larger trail bumps and makes the small chatter and stutters disapear all together :) thats what I wanted and the mono delivers
 
marty f, your comparing your short traveled srx with a rev that weighs 75lbs less than your sled?? with more travel and 5-6 years in advanced engineering to boot on the rev...i think you need a m-10, expert,artic,polaris skid for sure!
 
nickleuci said:
Allvipedup - It's obvious you're not running into the 3-4' moguls if you're averageing 60-70mph!

Hitting one 3-4 foot at 60 mph is great with the proaction, hitting sections of 100+ 3-4 footers is what breaks the proaction, and I'll guarantee it'll kill that avg mph.

My last ride of the season this past Sun I snapped the bolt that holds the right side transfer rod to the skid rail. Luckily my Dad's sled contained the following to make on the trail repairs.

Fuel Stabilizer to clean the grease off the rod ---$3
A used up paper towel with dried snot (for same as above) ---$.01
Roll of duct tape ---$3.50
Back up starter rope ---$5
Home Depot Husky All in One TOOL ---$15

Being able to run 70 miles back to the trailer as hard as we rode from the trailer.......

PRICELESS

I used the All in one tool to remove the bolt that holds on the bottom section of the transfer rod, cleaned what remained with fuel stabilizer so the tape would sick, theh wrapped duct tape around the rod and through the nearest setion of the skid a few times, also tied it with rope, and some more tape to finish it off. I had to keep the arm from dangling and tearing the hell out of the driver lugs on the inside of the track.

Not sure if the bolt was loose to begin with OR the constant pounding of Moguls killed it.
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Dude, You misread what I said. If you read my last post it says - It is rare I run into 3-4 foot moguls, mostly due to the fact the trails I ride don't get that bad. Yes, and your right, I couldn't avg. that speed over 3-4 footers.

Nice fix by the way, glad it worked out.
 
marty f your still going to have the same problems long traveled it will ride better though.But for what it's worth you can find skids around at haydays for 250.00 and up
 
After long traveling mine i was somewhat happy with the ride and would deal with it but when your spending more in parts to keep it together than you could buy and expert skid for i think it`s time for a different skid...lol
 
marty f said:
why is it we need to put skids from other manufactures on yami's for a good ride it cannot be that hard for them to come up with an class "A" skid can it? they have been hearing complaints about it for so long you would think they would have done something about it long time ago....are these skids designed over seas????If so then they need new engineers from here'''U.S.A'''
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Dude? You must have just craled out of hibernation. This topic looks like it was created like 5 years ago. Problem has been solved. Welcome to the new era.
 
i gotta disagree 100% on the F6 vs proaction ZERO I MEAN ZERO comparision.... tell your buddy his shocks probably need rebuilding cause i have rode them both multiple times and the proaction is no competition for the zr/zrt fast track tss platform let alone the firecat rear.... its simple the suspension is not there its a racer not a bump sled in my opinion... transfers awsome and is great for racing but moguls, shutters, sequin special if anyone is from ontario... the proaction is not there.... 1-2' shutters for 30miles this year on the sequin.... the ONLY way i could overcome the bumps was 80mph and hittin every fifth one just about.... sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the proaction is not a bump skid
 
I've rode ZR's and ZX chassis MXZ's and they both have a better suspension than the Yamaha's through the rough stuff, no comparison. Proaction is nice and plush on fairly smooth trails, other than that no props for the "No-Action" suspension. Besides, if the Pro-Action was good through the rough stuff, why is Yamaha now using a torsion bar rear suspension on it's "big bump" sleds? Seems to me it must be better.
 
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Why? did they change...it was time, simple marketing ...same reason of moving away from trailing arms, the proaction in its 96xt -97 thru 04? that was a good run, so change to the torsion what people "want" (marketing 101) is what they did....look at the new skid they borrowed from every manf., 1)articcat drop link, 2) Polaris rear blocks 3) the torsion hitting on the block of the rail a aftermarket company developed first great idea don't remember who now ...and for the biggest 4) skidoo front arm and rider forward position.....
marty f , if you want the best ride find a used m-10, just my opinion....CP
 
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