Ford to recall 1.2 million trucks and SUVs

Huh ??????????

And if a costomer comes in for a tune up on a 5.4 there in for a big suprise when they get a 2000.00 bill for changing plugs.
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I have had 2 of the 5.4's & never had any problems as you indicate.

Also, I have had the tune up & plugs changed & the bill was UNDER $450
with PLUGS.
So you are either in a high priced area or work for someone who is in the business of "hosing" customers!!! And the tune ups were not needed until 120,000 miles. So, I am a happy camper.

Interesting that you are throwing rocks at the design by Ford as if GM does not have some "dumb" designs. I do recall a few Vettes & Cadillacs where changing the plugs required "loosening" or "jacking" the motors to get the plugs done!! Seems to me that was a good sized $$$$ bill!!

I think it is more fair to say that ALL manufacturer's have had their own little issues when it comes to design & maintenance things. It is great we all have the freedom to choose which vehicle meets our needs & tastes.

It is interesting to see how some guys have great luck with brand "X" & others dont. I have had nothing but bad luck when I tried GM & been happy with Ford products & I know guys that have had the opposite sooooo.........there ya go!!
 
I didn't mean it to be a pissing match... I USUALLY try and support the BOYS AND GIRLS working in MY COUNTRY before I go ahead and support some other country who ABUSES their own people and pays them a few dollars a day for HARD WORK whereas the UAW sticks up for the american worker!!! I've been NON UNION and was ABUSED considerably!!!! Today, I am PRO UNION and VERY HAPPY with the results>>>
 
racerrob6m said:
I have had 2 of the 5.4's & never had any problems as you indicate.

Also, I have had the tune up & plugs changed & the bill was UNDER $450
with PLUGS.
So you are either in a high priced area or work for someone who is in the business of "hosing" customers!!! And the tune ups were not needed until 120,000 miles. So, I am a happy camper.

Interesting that you are throwing rocks at the design by Ford as if GM does not have some "dumb" designs. I do recall a few Vettes & Cadillacs where changing the plugs required "loosening" or "jacking" the motors to get the plugs done!! Seems to me that was a good sized $$$$ bill!!

I think it is more fair to say that ALL manufacturer's have had their own little issues when it comes to design & maintenance things. It is great we all have the freedom to choose which vehicle meets our needs & tastes.

It is interesting to see how some guys have great luck with brand "X" & others dont. I have had nothing but bad luck when I tried GM & been happy with Ford products & I know guys that have had the opposite sooooo.........there ya go!!
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I was refering to the ones that have problems with the plug braking off in the head. If they all come out yes its about 250.00-300.00 for a tune up. I have done a lot of tune ups on these trucks with no problems. But if i get one in and the first plug i try to get out breaks, how do i tell my costomer its now going to cost 2000.00 to fix it. Makes me look pretty bad. Now i don't even try, i just send them down the road. And i do agree that vettes and caddy's are not fun to work on either but i have never had to lift a motor to change plugs on anything. Oh ya Aerostars are almost as bad as the trucks for changing plugs. My arm always gets cut up trying to get the two back ones out. Astro vans are not mutch better though.
 
Bakemono said:
This past summer my brother and I put new u-joints on my '99 F-150 and we pressed them out with a balljoint press. I will agree with you that having to remove the cab to get the cylinder heads off its a very dumb design. My F-150 has the passenger-side headgasket oil leak that they all Triton engines had from '99-'02 and after finding out how much it would cost to fix the leak, I decided to just let it drip. I'll add 1/2 a quart of oil every 1500 miles before I spend $1500 to fix a minor issue on a truck that is only worth $3,000.
As with any brand, you will have people who love it and you will have people who hate it. Personally, I despise General Motors and would never own any of their products. Lets not kid ourselves here, GM (and every other automaker) has had their fair share of boneheaded designs over the years.
BTW, I want to thank everyone for keeping this thread polite and respectful with no bashing or fighting. It just goes to show you the kind of quality people that we have posting on this forum.
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Up to 04 the U joints come out easy with a press. Certain models in 04 and later have the other design. Ford has 3 different design U joints they use in these trucks. You need a number off the drive shaft to order the right one. It took me three tries ordering from the dealer before i got the right one. The joint had to be cut out and the replacement pressed in after reeming out the shaft with the supplied tool.
 
Hey Bakemono if "ALL" the best stuff is made in Japan curious why do you own a Poo then, you make it sound like you only support the best but you own a few items(F-150/600X) that are american based/built companies. Also if Toyota is building alot of there vehicles here(USA) it must not be the best anymore since its not built in Japan....RIGHT?????. Im also curious about your opinion on this topic, do you think its right that we(USA) let forigen companys to sell/build there cars here, when were not aloud to do the same in thier country. Do you think thats right????
 
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ExpertXViper said:
Alot more people than you think. Last week alone I order parts for 05 Pilot, 01 Sable, 06 Taurus, 01 Ranger and I work for a Chevy dealer. Plus 3 out of our 8 mech's are or were Ford cert., cause they worked at Ford dealership before where they work now. And for you to make a comment like this "you are looking to be bent over if you do that" shows me how ignorant and unaware you really are. I had my previous blue oval wrenched on by our "CHEVY" mech's before and and never had a issue with it when they were done.
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Calling me ignorant and unaware is really too much.

Resorting to name calling only tells me about your intellect.

Low blows are easy to dish out. :ban:
 
Dont make comments that are untrue and disrespectful to or about honest hard working people that dont bend people over just cause its a diff. brand of vehicle. So thats where you went wrong, so I call it like I see it. Get over it......but you can "low blow" me all you want, Ill just laugh it off.
 
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racerrob6m said:
I have had 2 of the 5.4's & never had any problems as you indicate.

Also, I have had the tune up & plugs changed & the bill was UNDER $450
with PLUGS.
So you are either in a high priced area or work for someone who is in the business of "hosing" customers!!! And the tune ups were not needed until 120,000 miles. So, I am a happy camper.

Interesting that you are throwing rocks at the design by Ford as if GM does not have some "dumb" designs. I do recall a few Vettes & Cadillacs where changing the plugs required "loosening" or "jacking" the motors to get the plugs done!! Seems to me that was a good sized $$$$ bill!!

I think it is more fair to say that ALL manufacturer's have had their own little issues when it comes to design & maintenance things. It is great we all have the freedom to choose which vehicle meets our needs & tastes.

It is interesting to see how some guys have great luck with brand "X" & others dont. I have had nothing but bad luck when I tried GM & been happy with Ford products & I know guys that have had the opposite sooooo.........there ya go!!
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The plugs do break off in the head when being changed after they've been in there awhile. For some reason they leave the spark plug threads stick way into the head and they get carboned up. Go figure? I could see a repair bill going that high.

There is times when I wish I'd been standing beside some decision maker at Ford and have crowned him one! Their products are made by humans though, so like all man-made things, they're imperfect.

But where I used to go, we would actually weld the GM's back together just so we could drag them out of the bush in fewer pieces!

Ford builds a better product for taking abuse, period! Kudos to them everytime they stand up and admit they have a problem and offer to fix it.

There were just as many claims against the 73 to 87 GMC/CHEVROLET pickups with those crazy outboard mounted fuel tanks exploding on side impacts as there were Pinto's, and GM did NOTHING. Basically telling everybody to take a hike!

Ford did offer a fix for the Pinto's, they did something!

I'll stay blue! They've treated me royally. G.
 
ExpertXViper said:
Dont make comments that are untrue and disrespectful to or about honest hard working people that dont bend people over just cause its a diff. brand of vehicle. So thats where you went wrong, so I call it like I see it. Get over it......but you can "low blow" me all you want, Ill just laugh it off.
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There is nothing to "get over".

If people choose to go to a dealership of another brand of vehicle for service, then that is their choice. I just see too many people getting poor service on vehicles the techs are supposed to know. So messing up vehicles that they are not even trained to work on is almost a given. The fact that you have ford certified techs working at your dealership is a good thing, but many dealerships around here don't have cross brand trained techs.

Then again, I live in a large city, so going to the proper dealership for service is not an issue.

Say if you have a ferrari, and are up north, you would probably be screwed if anything really went wrong. But then again, if you own a ferrari, you would not really notice about being screwed over as long as you could get operational.

This is a yamaha site, talking about toyota's isn't really out of line, especially in an open forum. Other brands of vehicles were brought up in this "ford" thread because they were relevant in regard to recalls. Then the thread digressed into why we should buy American autos, while we type on a japanese brands' forum.

That's probably the funniest thing to come out of this thread.
 
I tried caring too when I bought a new boat (alumacraft, I love it)with that damn BRP e-tec....POS....got me a suzuki now. Great engine. Says right on it MADE IN JAPAN. I work too damn hard for my money to buy vehicles that fall apart and lose all there value in just a few years. Horkn drive a Sequoia with a 4.7 liter they go nice and tow well, actually beat my modified Tahoe....cam, exhaust, chiped, rockers, etc. If ya want a Sequoia to fly get a TRD supercharger!!!!!! Seriously you guys support the USA and drive yamahas???? WTF???? If you really wanted to support the US you would own a Polaris, right??? I see this online a lot but on a Yamaha site.............. LMAO!!!!!
 
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I buy Yamaha's cause theyre BLUE!!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
But again I ask, whats does all this have to do with the FORD's 7.3L recall????? NOTHING!!!!!!

But Im all done here though because this is a lost cause and way off topic for my fingers to even bother with anymore.
 
davessrx said:
I tried caring too when I bought a new boat (alumacraft, I love it)with that damn BRP e-tec....POS....got me a suzuki now. Great engine. Says right on it MADE IN JAPAN. I work too damn hard for my money to buy vehicles that fall apart and lose all there value in just a few years. Horkn drive a Sequoia with a 4.7 liter they go nice and tow well, actually beat my modified Tahoe....cam, exhaust, chiped, rockers, etc. If ya want a Sequoia to fly get a TRD supercharger!!!!!! Seriously you guys support the USA and drive yamahas???? WTF???? If you really wanted to support the US you would own a Polaris, right??? I see this online a lot but on a Yamaha site.............. LMAO!!!!!
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Dave,

There are quite a few of us here from the metro Detroit area, we depend on manufactering to survive. With the Automotive Industry waining it hits us harder being the "Motor City" than most from around the country. Our economy is right down the toilet and this Global Economy unfortunatly effects us dramatically. So guys like ExpertXViper and a few others including myself are probably a little more passionate about being self supportive, as far as sleds go? well that does not really effect us that much. Its mainly the big automakers that are hitting us HARD in the pocketbook not to mention our Governer.

BTW - I had a 7.3 and absolutley loved it, even though I did have to replace a $75 part. I now own a twin Turbo 6.4 and only time will tell if it will live up to the 7.3.
 
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so it is ok if it doesn't affect yourself, Ok I will continue to buy the best products I can afford, yamaha and toyota are on my list. Yes nothing to do with the stupid Ford recall. Hey they are taking care of it so at least they care about the customer.
 
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so it is ok if it doesn't affect yourself,
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huh?


:offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic:

I was just trying to help out a little here and maybe make a little sense as to where some of these guys are coming from. This is a free country always has been and "hopefully" always will be, you have the right to buy what you want. Although I am a Ford guy and believe that we will have to step it up internally to survive I will admit the Japanese make fine products across the board, they have set the benchmark in alot of cases for the rest of us to play catch up. Love it or hate it their work ethic and attention to detail has to be admired.

7.3's rule!! LOL
 
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Come on guys, your not being fair. No one has bashed a German manufacture yet! :na
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It's amazing how a simple post can get so far :offtopic:

But I'm staying out of this one.
 
davessrx said:
I tried caring too when I bought a new boat (alumacraft, I love it)with that damn BRP e-tec....POS....got me a suzuki now. Great engine. Says right on it MADE IN JAPAN. I work too damn hard for my money to buy vehicles that fall apart and lose all there value in just a few years. Horkn drive a Sequoia with a 4.7 liter they go nice and tow well, actually beat my modified Tahoe....cam, exhaust, chiped, rockers, etc. If ya want a Sequoia to fly get a TRD supercharger!!!!!! Seriously you guys support the USA and drive yamahas???? WTF???? If you really wanted to support the US you would own a Polaris, right??? I see this online a lot but on a Yamaha site.............. LMAO!!!!!
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It was a choice in Jan of 04 between a 4.7 seqouia and the 4.7 4runner. The seqouia jsut did not have enough grunt for that big of a vehicle for me. The 4.7 in the runner though is amazingly fast. I have a feeling the new 5.7 powered seqouia will take care of that issue.


But yeah, this thread has gotten too far off track.

Oh well, its all good!
 
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