polaris 10-56 weights...worth it?

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I was at this local motorsports shop and was talking about clutching srx's with the owner, whos a huge yammi fan and previous srx owner, that does his own clutching. he was telling me that the hi-tech encapsulated roller secondary is the best roller and that for a srx, the best bang for your buck clutching wise, is to purchase some 10-56 polaris weights and then the conversion kit, to make them fit the yammi primary clutch. does he seem right? are the 10-56 weights a step in the right direction on a '00 srx that's stock? has anyone tried these weights before and if so, what outcomes did you have. i'm working on clutching one of my buddies srx and just want to know if the weights are worth it. he doesn't have the stock weights, and we need weights, and we might as well buy something that's going to be better than stock. please don't say just by them and find out, cause his wallet is very, very, very shallow, as he already has $1000 in engine parts alone, to get this thing rebuilt. he can't afford to buy something that won't work and then end up on the shelf.
 
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I was at this local motorsports shop and was talking about clutching srx's with the owner, whos a huge yammi fan and previous srx owner, that does his own clutching. he was telling me that the hi-tech encapsulated roller secondary is the best roller and that for a srx, the best bang for your buck clutching wise, is to purchase some 10-56 polaris weights and then the conversion kit, to make them fit the yammi primary clutch. does he seem right? are the 10-56 weights a step in the right direction on a '00 srx that's stock? the weights seem light to me, as the stock srx weights i think weigh a total of 73.1g. the polaris 10-56 weights are 56g. has anyone tried these weights before and if so, what outcomes did you have. i'm working on clutching one of my buddies srx and just want to know if the weights are worth it. he doesn't have the stock weights, and we need weights, and we might as well buy something that's going to be better than stock. please don't say just by them and find out, cause his wallet is very, very, very shallow, as he already has $1000 in engine parts alone, to get this thing rebuilt. he can't afford to buy something that won't work and then end up on the shelf.
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I had a Hi tech encapsulated roller.....I traded even over for a stock secondary, thats how good it worked.
 
I ran 55 gram weights in my srx. Didn, like the fact that the weights were non adjustable like a yammie or aftermarket weight. When you get a fixed weight the only adjustability you have is rollers/springs/helix change.....can,t change the mass of the weights
 
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I ran 55 gram weights in my srx. Didn, like the fact that the weights were non adjustable like a yammie or aftermarket weight. When you get a fixed weight the only adjustability you have is rollers/springs/helix change.....can,t change the mass of the weights
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thats what i was thinking. not as much adjustability, but if its good with 10-56 weight we shouldn't need to change anything once dialed in. i always thought I heard that the high tech er rollers were suppose to be the cats arse?
 
10-56's work well in a stock SRX, some will pull 58's. Keep in mind you will need a different spring as well. They are more aggressive than the Yammie weights down low and MPH well. Yes, adjustable weights can be a better choice "if" you know what to do with them, but you can buy a whole clutch kit and an extra set of "p" weights for the same money. You did say your friend has very shallow pockets, maybe he should just put it back stock and run it.

As far as the ER kit goes, that's a great set up, I have them on "all" of my sleds, or Paragons. I believe I tested most all of the rollers out there. While any roller secondary will provide you better shifting, especially backshift, they do not correct the issue of the roller or button jumping off the helix.

In another thread someone posted they would only use the steel helix/roller type, that's because they don't take the rollers out. In an encapsulated roller secondary, you can run less spring pressure and not worry about the rollers jumping off the contact surface because they are in constant contact with the helix, which gives you more consistant belt pressure at high speeds in rough ares.
 
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10-56's work well in a stock SRX, some will pull 58's. Keep in mind you will need a different spring as well. They are more aggressive than the Yammie weights down low and MPH well. Yes, adjustable weights can be a better choice "if" you know what to do with them, but you can buy a whole clutch kit and an extra set of "p" weights for the same money. You did say your friend has very shallow pockets, maybe he should just put it back stock and run it.

As far as the ER kit goes, that's a great set up, I have them on "all" of my sleds, or Paragons. I believe I tested most all of the rollers out there. While any roller secondary will provide you better shifting, especially backshift, they do not correct the issue of the roller or button jumping off the helix.

In another thread someone posted they would only use the steel helix/roller type, that's because they don't take the rollers out. In an encapsulated roller secondary, you can run less spring pressure and not worry about the rollers jumping off the contact surface because they are in constant contact with the helix, which gives you more consistant belt pressure at high speeds in rough ares.
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A few more comments on the 911 secondary. While I think they are built very well they are suuuuuuuppppeeeeerrr heavy. Tech support was almost zero. No matter what I tried I couldnt get it to work with agressive weights (ie HC's...IMO one of the best mods for the SRX). Im sure it was possible, but I didnt have a 5 gallon pail of helixes and springs to test with. When I did get someone on the phone, they recomended a spring that I could barely get wound onto the secondary. Too much grief, went back to stock button clutch,50-36 green spring, smile on my face ever since.
 
WTF Mopar?

Hey Mopar....why would you want to buy a fixed Polaris profile weight when you just bought a set of Heavy Hitters from me a while ago? The HH have a Polaris profile and they are adjustable too! It's the best of both worlds man. Set them up and use them. They can only work as good or better that the 10-56 weights!

Madmatt
 
Hi Tech, that is always the problem with him, if you need help, he just tells you, you don't know what you're doing, thats why it doesn't work. You don't need a pile of helixes, just set you sled up with the stock secondary, take the helix you end up with, subtract 4 degrees, install a softer spring than you were using in your Yammie secondary, call it done.

Now if you're wanting to use the Paragon, that's a different story, Dwayne is still making changes to it. The problem with that clutch is it works too good and you have to try to slow it down, once you figure out the problem, it works better than anything but it's pricy, as well, I had to make all the parts for it. It is the most expensive secondary project I've had. I myself have like $4000 in it.
 
the guy at the local shop, said he's been one of the tester for this dwayne guy for the paragon and er roller. he said the best helix to use in the er roller for a rx-1 and srx, is a 52/48. he's not a big fan of the paragon clutch either, because he said its like 3 lbs heavier. this guy also runs the 10-56 weights and his own custom 22mm rollers. they are huge! madmatt, this weight thread isn't for my sled, its for a friends. I still have the heavy hitters. just haven't had time to try them out yet. too busy fixing other peoples junk....lol.

oh yeah 800, what primary spring would you suggest to use then, in this stock '00 srx w/the 10-56 weights?
 
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Everyone if Dwayne's tester you'll find out. 10-56's with 22mm rollers? What is it blown up? My SRX has 10-64's in it with 15.5's. Any stock SRX will run fine with 56's, 15.5's and a Dalton BLK-GRN,

If your buddy just wants some stock 8DN-20's I have them
 
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Hi Tech, that is always the problem with him, if you need help, he just tells you, you don't know what you're doing, thats why it doesn't work. You don't need a pile of helixes, just set you sled up with the stock secondary, take the helix you end up with, subtract 4 degrees, install a softer spring than you were using in your Yammie secondary, call it done.

Now if you're wanting to use the Paragon, that's a different story, Dwayne is still making changes to it. The problem with that clutch is it works too good and you have to try to slow it down, once you figure out the problem, it works better than anything but it's pricy, as well, I had to make all the parts for it. It is the most expensive secondary project I've had. I myself have like $4000 in it.
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That way to set them may work great, but when you talk to him and he doesnt have ant helix's on hand, and doesnt know when/if he will have any more cut.....it becomes a problem.
 
throw in your heavy hitters, I just did & they work great. I also have a e.r. roller on my srx. it works great also, But i am waiting on a helix. My pro x 700 has the paragon.
 
the heavy hitters aren't for this srx. the heavy hitters are for my viper. the srx isn't mine, its one of my buddies. he has no idea on tuning the weights in, and i'm not going to spend all that time myself. i still have my viper that i want to get dialed in w/heavy hitters.

so 800, i should pick up a dalton blk-grn spring?

what rate is the dalton blk-grn spring? my parts books don't show any dalton springs, so I was looking at the team springs, but i need to know the rate of a dalton blk-grn spring, so I can get one of the same rate, but in a different brand.
 
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Team doesn't make one close, they don't have the preload, what heights are you looking at in your catalog? Tell me and I'll measure one.
 
i looked in my high performance engineering book and found the dalton blk-grn spring. should i just get the spring right away or will the stock y-w-y spring be sufficent. are my rpm's just going to be a little low, like 8200-8300 or something w/stock spring and thats why you said to use the dalton spring?
 
i installed the 10-56 weights on my buddies '00 srx and now it won't even engage the clutch. i even reved it up to 6000-6500. i am running all stock clutching, except for the polaris weights. wtf?
 
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