Just picked up a 02 viper and looking for some clutching advice.I have already purchased slp tripple pipes for it.It is 121" and i weight around 200lbs.I plan on useing heel clicker clutch kit but am confused on what kit to get.i have checked out there web site and they show 3 differnt kits,drag n flys , a 2 speed kit and also just a yamaha kit.where i live there are no lakes so i am not interested in top speed but want it to pull like a freight train to 1000 ft.Also what do you guys recommend for gears, stock or do i start playing with that also.
Yamidude59
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YOu don't need a clutch kit, The more Crap you put on a sled the more problems you will have, regardless to what anyone tells you. a viper will never be an Srx no matter what you do to it.
I never mentioned anything about turning it into a srx, all i want is some input on which heel clickers and clutch set up to use with my slp pipes.As far as reliabilty i know that there are alot of guys on here that run clutch kits and pipes that don't seem to have issues.And even if i do have problems i will deal with it.
Yamidude have a little respect.If you don't have an answer for his question just simply don't respond.
The one's most people use on here is the 40-10's.I have heard lots of good theings about the dragon fly weights but haven't ran them personally.
Here's a link to the one's. http://www.supertorquer.com/Yam.htm
Rich motorsports on here sells the weights also.
The one's most people use on here is the 40-10's.I have heard lots of good theings about the dragon fly weights but haven't ran them personally.
Here's a link to the one's. http://www.supertorquer.com/Yam.htm
Rich motorsports on here sells the weights also.
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40-10's will serve you just fine, they grab the belt like nothing else. When you get the kit and stuff for sled, post and I will give you a good base set up, youll be very close.
mopar1rules
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herky, if you get the heel clickers, you will need to get a helix with a shallow finish angle of like 38 or 36 deg, to keep it from overshifting on top end. just wanted to let you know. or you could go with a hi-tech er roller secondary kit, and i could give you a setup that would work better than the button secondary. heavy hitters work great also, or even just plain old polaris weights (cheap).
Yamidude59
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Mopar, I remember when you told me to contact Karbon motorsports, and i talked to a guy, i cant remember his name, but he was saying that its best to keep the primary at its stock settings, The E.R. Kit is the only kit i'd buy when it comes to clutch kits. and at 400 bucks you can't go wrong. May seem like i contradicted my self, But the E.R. is the best out there, The charts show it all.
A K MtnViper
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Slp's specs for jetting and stock clutch set up is a very good starting point. You might want to mount the pipes, do slp's set up and give it a try before spending $ on aftermarket clutch parts. You might be satisfied with the performance.
mopar1rules
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Yamidude59 said:
yeah, i know he told you to keep the primary stock, but there is some gain to be made. i think he told you to keep the primary stock, to keep the tuning on your end to a minimum, seeing as you aren't too skilled on clutching. no offense. yeah, those er kits do rock. you said the charts show that its the best? where are these charts. i would love to see 'em. also, are you still going to get a er for your srx? you really should.
Personally I’d stay away from the drag-n-flys and the two-speeds. Stick with the regular old 40-10 heel clickers. They work great, are easier to tune and a lot of guys on here are familiar with them. The 40-10s are what I have on my SLP Piped Viper and I think they work absolutely amazing. I’ve pulled up next to a bunch of sleds (RX1, SRX, Apex, etc.) and I’ve yet to have anything really pull away on me. Wins were traded back and forth.
Anyway, I’m not going to get into my exact setup on here as there is always more then one way to skin a cat. Plus MADMATT will be all over me, lol j/k MM. Some have had good success with a steeper helix (like a 50/40) and more primary weight (I call this the TURK setup), while other have done well with a shallow helix (like a 48/34) and slightly less primary weight (I call this the MrViper setup). Both can be made to work VERY well.
As for gearing… I personally went up a tooth on top and think it still pulls like a mother. If you are really, really, really concern with acceleration then you could certainly stay stock. If I was doing it over again I’d still go up a tooth, but that’s me. FYI - 23/38 will fit with a 68L chain, but if you want a 70L let me know and I'll sell you mine.
PS – start buying gas now while it cheap! Piped Vipers really like fuel!
Anyway, I’m not going to get into my exact setup on here as there is always more then one way to skin a cat. Plus MADMATT will be all over me, lol j/k MM. Some have had good success with a steeper helix (like a 50/40) and more primary weight (I call this the TURK setup), while other have done well with a shallow helix (like a 48/34) and slightly less primary weight (I call this the MrViper setup). Both can be made to work VERY well.
As for gearing… I personally went up a tooth on top and think it still pulls like a mother. If you are really, really, really concern with acceleration then you could certainly stay stock. If I was doing it over again I’d still go up a tooth, but that’s me. FYI - 23/38 will fit with a 68L chain, but if you want a 70L let me know and I'll sell you mine.
PS – start buying gas now while it cheap! Piped Vipers really like fuel!
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my slp piped viper will spank the s##t out of a clutched srx or a stocker.best thing i ever did 6000 miles on it scince the mods and that motor has never left me stranded.i herd of some burndowns with slp jetting.nothing first hand though i went with someone else for my trail jetting
Thanks for the help guys,I think i will go with the 40-10,Any suggestions on a place that has the best deals on these?
OZ_872
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I run the heelclickers in my SRX and they are phenominal. the tunability and power gain is unreal, the 2 angle helix works very well with heel clickers I noticed as well. thats the only mod I have besides a bender can and carbon fiber reed petals and I can jump my buddies viper with the hauck kit and stay a length or 2 ahead the rest of the way.
Unless you are in a hurry I would post in the wanted section for a used set. That’s how I got all my stuff and for a great price!Herky said:
Not bashing, just wasn't clear. Your buddies machine is triple piped?OZ_872 said:
Yamerdown, Just curios which helix you run,since i don't have any of these components yet i would like the first one i buy to be the best for my application.I see you are also running slp pipes also,this is why i ask.Also with going to taller gearing do you feel you get less track spin out of the hole and are able to pull it on top end.
mopar1rules
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oz872, you're a bs'er. i let off the gas 2 of the 3 times we raced, cause i hooked right over into your lane. the 1 time i didn't let off, i beat you. i also, didn't have a hauck kit in it. my secondary also wasn't setup up as good as it is now, and i could still beat/stay with you. now you'll be toast for sure this year.
yammerdown, yes the viper he raced has aaen pipes.
yammerdown, yes the viper he raced has aaen pipes.
lol, I could tell by the response!mopar1rules said:
Herky said:
For helix I went the shallow finish route (Advantedge 48/34). I originally bought the helix for my single pipe heel clicker setup and had very good results with it. When I added the pipes I decided to give it a try (to save $$$) and again it worked extremely well. Would I be better off with a steeper one? To be honest I don't know, perhaps I'll give that a try this year. What I would really like is some side by side time with another piped Viper or a clutched SRX. Then I can say for sure if it’s working good or not. Best comparison I have is against a clutched RX1 with the filter mod and stainless exhaust. I take a sled length out of the hole and then we are absolutely dead even. We can go 5000' and I'm still only a sled length ahead. All that aside, I'd bet most people will advise you to get a steeper helix then the one I have.
As for the gearing I can assure you my machine has no trouble pulling it on the top end. In fact, at the one radar run last year I was spinning the track at the 3/4 mark.
With regards to launching I do not get too much track spin. That said, I have 144 trail pick in the middle and 15.6mm rollers in the primary, so that helps a lot.
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Since you are worried about take off, here is a quick video of my sled with the taller gear in it. I lifted because I thought I was going over.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BBOhsKhKN-s
PS - posted the UK link because work has blocked YouTube access. Of course they completely missed the fact it is now mirrored in several countries, lol. They only blocked the .com site!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BBOhsKhKN-s
PS - posted the UK link because work has blocked YouTube access. Of course they completely missed the fact it is now mirrored in several countries, lol. They only blocked the .com site!
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