Biting the bullet, buying first sled

:o| Then unwrap yourself and move on!

Don't try to make a new user with a new machine believe that he has to have his sled piped in order to beat another sled that is mentioned when it is NOT TRUE. If that is the kind of message you are going to try to send here, why don't you find some forum dealing with 1987-2000 model Polaris machines! :wel:
 
JohnnyQuest said:
:o| Then unwrap yourself and move on!

Don't try to make a new user with a new machine believe that he has to have his sled piped in order to beat another sled that is mentioned when it is NOT TRUE. If that is the kind of message you are going to try to send here, why don't you find some forum dealing with 1987-2000 model Polaris machines! :wel:
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I am not sending that message to him. I told him the truth, that that particular sled is no slouch. I do not want to sugar coat it and have him to think he will dust that sled if his sxr is bone stock. I also told him the SXR is nice sled. I have not bashed the sled at all, and I will not because that would be a lie.

The bottom line is that I own a 600 VES polaris, and I have yet to been beaten by a single piped yamaha triple of any size. It is extrmemly fast for a 600. Heck, that little 600 puts out 116hp, and the sxr 700 in question produces about the same if not less HP in stock form.

If you think you have the right to tell me what forum I should be on, you are wrong. I own a yamaha, and I happen to own a few polaris' as well.

As a matter of fact, I have made more modifications to my Venture than to my XCSP. I also now ride my Venture more than the XCSP as well, hence more mods done to that sled in the 1 year I have owned it, versus the 9th season of owning my XCSP.
 
i didnt know this would turn into a full out war! anyways the sled is a vmax sx not an sxr. It's not that big of a deal to me if i win or loose i was just wondering. on a side note i need carbides for the skis. can anybody send me in the right direction or send me a link of a pair to buy?
 
thanks for the link im currently looking on dennis kirk should i go with 4 or 6 inch carbides? also what bar diameter 1/2 or 7/16? sorry for the questions im just new to the sport
 
Is the track studded? I have a 98 Vmx 700sx with aprox 144 studs (it's missing a few), bought it last Dec. had to put new carbides on it. I went with 6" w1/2" dia. I can't remember the brand though.

BTW, I didn't do any mods last year. The sled had reed spacers and a thinned head gasket and some clutch work when I bought it. I beat my brother 600xcr, my cousin's xc700, but not my other cousin's xc600, but he somehow bent his crank later that day.
 
i wish i was closer i would bring my sx down and run any 600 polaris the 600 is a awsome sled but ive had no trouble beating a well set up ones ive even beat some newer 6oo fusions and iqs
 
horkn said:
You might want to buy a set of pipes then, or do as many mods as you can.

To me that sure does send the message that he will have to modify his sled to beat a Polaris 600 VES!
No one is saying that the 600 is not fast, instead I was saying that you do NOT have to have a list of mods on a 700 triple Yamaha to run a 600 VES!

This has turned into beating a dead horse, lets just agree to disagree. No hard feeling and either end I hope! :bump:
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Dmm698 said:
thanks for the link im currently looking on dennis kirk should i go with 4 or 6 inch carbides? also what bar diameter 1/2 or 7/16? sorry for the questions im just new to the sport
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Welcome to the site, hope we can be helpful without too many distractions . . .

The answer to your question on carbides depends mostly on whether or not your track is studded, and a little on rider preference (how you want the sled to react).
 
JohnnyQuest said:
horkn said:
This has turned into beating a dead horse, lets just agree to disagree. No hard feeling and either end I hope! :bump:
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Sounds good. :)

FWIW, I had a crappy Tuesday. I apologize if I took it out on you. ;)!


Sleddindineair, an xcr600 is a completely different motor from the 03 600 the OP mentions. We had one of those until last year, and the 600 ves I speak of would decimate that 96 XCR (xlt based triple, stock with an EPI clutch kit) like it had 20 more hp than that sled, and it did. There are 96 hp in the xcr to 116 in the XCsp. The XC600, what yeat was that? The early ones (big block USA made design) made in XC sleds through 99 that were non VES are down on power compared to the VES version, like around 100hp to the 116 -120hp of the 2000+ VES 600. The VES one is actually a small block 440VES based mill. Current injected 600VES twins make 125 hp stock.

Dmm, the sx version you have is practically the same sled as the SX-r 700. The SXR just has a longer suspension. Shorter travel suspensions rob less hp than longer travel ones. So that is in your favor. As for carbides, I am really a fan of the Stud Boy Shaper bars. Like Ding said, the length of carbide depends on a lot of things, but mostly personal preference and if you have studs, and how many studs. There was no "full out war" per say. I think that due to there being so many 600cc engines in Polaris' over the years that not everyone understands what models have what engine. These motors have a range of around a 30+ hp difference. I wouldn't expect guys on a yamaha site to know that.
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No problem! ;)!

One other difference between the SX and the SX-R is the primary weights. The SX-R has 8df weights and the SX has I believe 8ch weights.
 
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the track is not studded, and i would like to get a pretty good bite in the corners as im used to riding motocross so im used to quick turns and such. i think i'll go with 6 inch carbides with a 1/2 diametere 60 degrees.
 
With 6 inch carbides and no studs you will have a lot of oversteer (loose) in icy corners. This is ok if you expect it, but can be a problem if you don't. You will be able to powerslide at will.
 
so ding you think i should go with the 4 inch ones? please excuse my ignorance im a noob. 17 years old and have always ridden motocross and worked on those machines and im finding they are completely different then sleds.
 
Dmm698 said:
so ding you think i should go with the 4 inch ones? please excuse my ignorance im a noob. 17 years old and have always ridden motocross and worked on those machines and im finding they are completely different then sleds.
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I would go with no more than 4 inchers on an unstudded sled. We even run 4" of carbide on all the sleds including the venture, besides my XC, that I run 6" shaper bars on. The XC has 144 studs, while we have 108 on the venture- longer track, but the same # of studs per track as the other 3 sleds.


I have a feeling you will like 4" of carbide on the unstudded vmax.
 
Dmm698 said:
so ding you think i should go with the 4 inch ones? please excuse my ignorance im a noob. 17 years old and have always ridden motocross and worked on those machines and im finding they are completely different then sleds.
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Yes, like Horkn says that should be more than enough. It will still oversteer (the front will turn sharply and the back will slide out), but it will be more controllable. The longer carbides are to counteract the effect of studs trying to push the sled straight. The more studs, the more carbide you need to turn.

BTW: Once you get into deep snow riding you don't need carbides. Trail riding is fun, but off-trail is where it is really at. Just be sure you are on public land that is open to riding or you have permission to ride. We still need the trails to get to the off-trail spots.
 
sry bout off topic they also made a 96 xcr case reed that was close to 15-110 hp area in the agressive chassis a tank but not the mono block xlt junker
 
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