Triple X
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crazykid said:I would think if you put a long spring in place of a short spring the engagaement rpm will definatly not be the same,even if they have the same initial preload.you are now putting a long spring in the same space as where a short spring was or vice versa,a short spring in the same space as a long spring. gotta think of the two spring side by side. obviously the longer spring is going to have more initial pre load. You get my point? so you have to be careful when comparing long and short cover springs. if you use a short spring with a long spring cover the preloads will not be the same. Hope you understand what im trying to say. Besides if YAMMIEGOD says 5000rpm i beleive it to be 5000 rpm. He has alot of experience. And i personally have never been steered wrong by him.
Preload is the initial tension that the clutch weights have to over come to engage the clutch. Both springs are 55kg.... so it takes 55kg of force to engage, if you are just swapping the spring and everything else is the same it will shift at the same rpm.
Obviously you don't know what you are talking about, The Bender orange spring is a pre-98 spring (used in the short cover) and has to be used with a spacer to come out to the same length as a spring used in the long cover of an SRX. All that matters is the preload and shift out tension, Bender 55kg preload and 135kg shift out and the Hauck is the same 55kg preload and 136kg shift out with all things equal (weights, helix, rollers, sec.spring etc.)both springs will shift very close.
As far as GOD, yes he knows how to clutch, but he never found out what weights, rollers, gearing, springs etc. the guy was using, you can't tell just from the spring where this guy's clutch will engage, YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION!
Don't take my word for it ask Turk. MrViper, BetheViper, they will tell you the same thing. People flap off on here without knowing the whole story or without knowing anything at all.
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Triple X
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mopar1rules said:i will measure my hauck orange spring tomorrow and let you know if your measurements jive w/my measurements. then you will have a better thought of the spring you have.
I have already given him the measurements in a PM but haven't heard back from him.
Triple X
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moparman89 said:ok guys heres the measurment from my old spring...its .211" thick..3 1/2 " long and about 2.350" dia.
now can anyone tell me what brand it is?
These measurements are almost identical to a Bender Orange spring, if there is a 8mm spacer under neath this spring, than it is a Bender. The Hauck spring will be longer in length.
crazykid
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Triple X said:Preload is the initial tension that the clutch weights have to over come to engage the clutch. Both springs are 55kg.... so it takes 55kg of force to engage, if you are just swapping the spring and everything else is the same it will shift at the same rpm.
Obviously you don't know what you are talking about, The Bender orange spring is a pre-98 spring (used in the short cover) and has to be used with a spacer to come out to the same length as a spring used in the long cover of an SRX. All that matters is the preload and shift out tension, Bender 55kg preload and 135kg shift out and the Hauck is the same 55kg preload and 136kg shift out with all things equal (weights, helix, rollers, sec.spring etc.)both springs will shift very close.
As far as GOD, yes he knows how to clutch, but he never found out what weights, rollers, gearing, springs etc. the guy was using, you can't tell just from the spring where this guy's clutch will engage, YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION!
Don't take my word for it ask Turk. MrViper, BetheViper, they will tell you the same thing. People flap off on here without knowing the whole story or without knowing anything at all.
OK i dont know ANYTHING, thats fine. BUT if you read my post right everything you just said is basically what i said.If you put a short spring in a long spring cover, it will not have the same preload sorry to say, I just neglected to take the spacer into consideration. Why is there always some A** hole looking to start S*it with everyone, i do understand preload and shiftout tension,a little more than you seem to realize, there is no need to get insulting. Anyway sorry to the original poster that i could not help,serves me right posting when i DONT KNOW ANYTHING!!!!!!!!! WHATEVER!!!!!!!!! PEACE OUT.
Yamidude59
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pops said:did you just buy the sled w/a broken spring or have you owned it for awile and suddenly discover the broken spring if so what was the engagement rpm before the spring broke? 4000 4500 5000 ? give these guys on here all the details and they will take care of you!!
Its my buddies sled, he bought it a year ago, spring was fine when we bought it, it broke on a WOT run down a trail... engagement was 4100 (+-)
pops,I am aware of the help i can get(i'm i new here or something?), thats all the info i can give ya to explain anything....
That spacer was basically compensating for the shorter spring, if we take the spacer out and put the longer spring in its basically the same as was said above.... I kept tellin my buddy that it was probably from wet clutches and he was noticing it move the sled at a higher rpm from belt slippage. so we'll have to see how it does when its actually out on the trail.
It was out in wet powder DEEP powder, so snow was getting into the clutches making them wet, my buddy swears the engagement is still too high... I told him to wait and see on hardpack... i was just curious inititally if the hauck spring made the engagement higher, clearly it shouldn't.
thanks
Yamidude59
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Triple X i think you need to read the rules over, your atitude is not nessicary
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mopar1rules
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measured my hauck spring and its 4" long. sounds like you have the bender.
Triple X
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crazykid said:OK i dont know ANYTHING, thats fine. BUT if you read my post right everything you just said is basically what i said.If you put a short spring in a long spring cover, it will not have the same preload sorry to say, I just neglected to take the spacer into consideration. Why is there always some A** hole looking to start S*it with everyone, i do understand preload and shiftout tension,a little more than you seem to realize, there is no need to get insulting. Anyway sorry to the original poster that i could not help,serves me right posting when i DONT KNOW ANYTHING!!!!!!!!! WHATEVER!!!!!!!!! PEACE OUT.
Who is The A--hole that started it, it was YOU. I was trying to help a guy BUT you chimed in and attacked my post, so look in the mirror before citing post rules!
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Triple X
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moparman89 said:Hello everyone, I'm new to this site and seem to like it alot already,ok so heres my problem,I'm not a no it all when it comes to sleds..I have a 98 SRX700,its not all stock,has AAEN pipes,AAEN roller action sed. clutch, I'm not sure what all has been done to the primary clutch....heres my problem..the primary spring is BROKE,it is ORANGE in color,I need a new one but have no way of knowing what brand it is? Anyone have any ideas?
thanks
This post originally asked if anyone knew what spring this was. It would seem both moparman89 & Yamadud knew it was a Bender Orange spring & shimm. So, why ask a question you already know the answer to, this whole post was unecessary. This game playing is what starts arguements. Everyone on here is here to help follow Yamaha riders with their problems, LEGITIMATE problems.
Yamidude59
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the only legitmate problem on this site is you Triple X, leave.
Triple X
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Yamidude59 said:Triple X i think you need to read the rules over, your atitude is not nessicary
"Posting with a certain degree of respect towards other members is mandatory on Totallyamaha
Hotly debated topics are sometimes the most fun, but if you resort to name calling or bashing you can expect a temporary suspension (or in rare cases permanent suspension) of your account.
We are expecting a very busy season, and it needs to be understood that the focus of this particular site is the enjoyable exchange of information. If your focus is to have your opinion be 'the opinion' then you may have a rough time of it. We all have the right to respectfully disagree with one another."
Hummm.
moparman89
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I don't know whats going on here.... WHY would I waste my time and others just to start some argument??? I'm new on this board and was really needing some help about this spring so that I can get a new one ordered so that I can ride this thing this winter...I DO NOT KNOW WHAT BRAND IT IS!!!!!!!!!!
I guess I'll just have to go somewhere else to find this out!
I guess I'll just have to go somewhere else to find this out!
Triple X
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Yamidude59 said:Its my buddies sled, he bought it a year ago, spring was fine when we bought it, it broke on a WOT run down a trail... engagement was 4100 (+-)
pops,I am aware of the help i can get(i'm i new here or something?), thats all the info i can give ya to explain anything....
That spacer was basically compensating for the shorter spring, if we take the spacer out and put the longer spring in its basically the same as was said above.... I kept tellin my buddy that it was probably from wet clutches and he was noticing it move the sled at a higher rpm from belt slippage. so we'll have to see how it does when its actually out on the trail.
It was out in wet powder DEEP powder, so snow was getting into the clutches making them wet, my buddy swears the engagement is still too high... I told him to wait and see on hardpack... i was just curious inititally if the hauck spring made the engagement higher, clearly it shouldn't.
thanks
Moparman89, you never answered any of my pm's, the measurments that you posted are almost identical to the Bender orange spring that I have. If you would have answered my pm I would have sent the spring to you no charge. I suggest that when you ask for help answer your pm's, it just might be the answer you are looking for.
Also, mopar1rules in his last post answered your question.
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Yamidude59
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TripleX you really like driving new members away with your chitty atitude.
Triple X
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Lets give it a rest, it isn't very productive, you don't like me and the feeling is mutual.

Warning to all that like to insult others.... if your going to battle be prepared to suffer the consequences on this site( 3 day ban or possible termination). Both party will suffer as I will not take sides.