V-max headlight bulbs????

PZ1 what is the brand of system you are running. I also have found be experience some of things you have said where not what I found on 1997 sx 700.

"An HID bulb can be used if you have electric start or if you add a battery. The smallest dry cell or absorbed glass mat (Odyssey) battery available would work well. No leakage of acid, long life, and they have a high initial output. A sled without electric start will also require a rectifier to be added to charge the battery."

Does not matter if it has electric start or not the voltalge regulator/rectifiers are the same on the single headlight sled. And if you rectify the 12 VAC on the headlight circuit it will be 19+ Volts DC unregulated. Just from going from 12vac rms to 12 v dc.

"The generating or lighting coil that supplies power for the headlights also charges the battery." - This is not the case on these sleds.

The "charging" coil is for the engine ignition system only. - Its only to charge the battery. - The iginition has a seperate coil.

Also the lighting coil puts out enough a/c power to power a 55watt bulb should it should be able to handle the less then 35 watts of a ballast with a warm HID bulb. The light off is the problem and where you need the battery.

I'd love to be wrong so please inform me.
 
jwiedmayer said:
PZ1 what is the brand of system you are running
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I do not think it even had a name. I think i got it on eBay. I will try to find some information on it some time.

I also have found be experience some of things you have said where not what I found on 1997 sx 700.

"An HID bulb can be used if you have electric start or if you add a battery. The smallest dry cell or absorbed glass mat (Odyssey) battery available would work well. No leakage of acid, long life, and they have a high initial output. A sled without electric start will also require a rectifier to be added to charge the battery."

Does not matter if it has electric start or not the voltalge regulator/rectifiers are the same on the single headlight sled. And if you rectify the 12 VAC on the headlight circuit it will be 19+ Volts DC unregulated. Just from going from 12vac rms to 12 v dc.
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After further review.... you are correct, I was not aware that the manual start sled has a rectifier (or if I did know, I forgot). That makes it simpler. With the two wire HID, the ballast wire can be connected to the battery and the control wire hooked into the DC circuit. Or with a one wire HID system, connect the wire to the battery with a relay on it that can be switched by the DC circuit.

"The generating or lighting coil that supplies power for the headlights also charges the battery." - This is not the case on these sleds.
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It is on my 1997 sled. All of the power for the chassis and battery, feeds from the yellow stator wire

The "charging" coil is for the engine ignition system only. - Its only to charge the battery. - The iginition has a seperate coil.
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This may be a terminology thing. The stator coil that supplies power for the lights and accessories is referred to as the lighting coil and the stator coil that supplies power for the ignition is referred to as the charging coil and the step up coil that supplies power to the spark plug called the ignition coil. I am not sure what you meant in your post about swapping the lighting coil wire with the charging coil wire.

Also the lighting coil puts out enough a/c power to power a 55watt bulb should it should be able to handle the less then 35 watts of a ballast with a warm HID bulb. The light off is the problem and where you need the battery.
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Truer words were never spoke. It is a 200 watt system. I do not know where you got the 5 amps number, but that would be 60 watts, more than the 35 watts required by the HID.


There should not be any problem using an HID on your sled. If the battery would not stay charged, possibly it was being fed from an AC wire?
Or if the wire to the battery was connected to the DC circuit AFTER the key switch, the fuel gauge would stay on when the sled is not running, and drain the battery. It would have to be connected between the reg/rec and the key switch.

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I know many guys run HID conversions on their motorcycles. Why couldn't we easily add an HID to our sleds???
 
How long have you had it operating. And what model and year is your sled. And exactly how do you have it connected. I would like to review your hook ups and sled wiring. Maybe there is something that I missing. BTW a battery (my small one) will power the HID for about a day before it too week to start the ballast again. Been there done that.

"That makes it simpler. With the two wire HID, the ballast wire can be connected to the battery and the control wire hooked into the DC circuit. Or with a one wire HID system, connect the wire to the battery with a relay on it that can be switched by the DC circuit."

How??? The DC circuit only puts out 2.0amps at 8000rpm. See attached manual. 2 amps is 24 watts so adding a battery and the HID to this circuit would drain the battery.


It is on my 1997 sled. All of the power for the chassis and battery, feeds from the yellow stator wire.

The yellow wire on 97 Yamahas feed the lighting circuit and is created by the lighting coil. See attached wiring diagrams. This is also A/C current. See manual page 8-27. The dc current is on the red line out of the regulator/rectifier and comes from the white line out of the stator which is the charging coil. See manual page 8-12.


This may be a terminology thing. The stator coil that supplies power for the lights and accessories is referred to as the lighting coil and the stator coil that supplies power for the ignition is referred to as the charging coil and the step up coil that supplies power to the spark plug called the ignition coil. I am not sure what you meant in your post about swapping the lighting coil wire with the charging coil wire.

Close. The lighting coil provides power to the lights and a/c circuit. The source coil powers the cdi, the handwarmer coil provide the current to hand warmer, and the charging coil powers the dc charging circuit.

http://www.totallyamaha.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32921&page=5&pp=10

I'm not trying to be a jerk. I would love to figure it out. I can not tell you how many hours and experiments I have into this set up.

HORKN – Most atv kits are for vehicles that are already on DC current at the headlight. So its easy from there on out especially if they have a battery. The HID runs less current then almost any headlight once warm. They need the battery to fire the cold bulb. And the rest of the conversion kits work on vehicles that either have floating grounds or they float the grounds. This accomplished by unhooking the one end of the stator coil to the vehicles frame and running it directly to the rectifier. On these Yamaha sleds one end of the windings is grounded to the chassis.

I tried to attach the wiring diagram for the sled but its too large so here is an attempt to hyperlink it
http://www.geocities.com/jwiedmayer@sbcglobal.net/EBAY/document.pdf
 
I just looked at the manual also. Your venture VT600?? It has a seperate DC regulator. The sx don't have this extra regulator. Maybe the VT/MM600 have more output on the DC circuit. See item 45 on VT600 diagram vs. item 2 on the rest.
 
Yep I have a vt600. I tried the link above and it wouldn't let me in.


Maybe we can figure this out.

I would expect the ventures to have a higher output due to more electrical draw from extra warmers.
 
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