The Breakdown on oil

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the society of automotive engineers(SAE) have established 12 different viscosity grades. vicosity grades will determine the oils dynamic viscosity and kinematic viscosity.
the dynamic viscosity is the first # you see usually followed by a W , which , yes , you can associate that # with winter to help you think of how it performs in cold weather.the SAE has determined 6 grades of "winter" formulas beginning with 0W and working up to 25W in 5 point incriments. what they are measureing with this is the lubricants ability to pump 60,000centipointe units with no yield stress at certain temps. for ex.
0W = 60,000 cP @-40*C
5W = 60,000 cP @-35*C
10W = 60,000 cP @ -30*C and so on till 25Wwhich is 60,000 cP@-15
basically the smaller the # the better protection for colder temps.

the next # measures the lubricants ability to pour or its kinemetric viscosity, which is measured by the time it takes an oil to pour out of a container. the temp. is always consistant at 100*C (212*F)
this is #ered from 20 -60 in 10 pt incriments and is measured using sabolt universal second(sus) for ex.
sae20@100*c will empty in min.5.6sus and a max. of9.3sus
30 = 9.3sus - 12.5sus
40 = 12.5sus- 16.3sus
60 = 21.9sus - 26.1sus
in other words the oil will empty out of the container just by pouring in 5.6 seconds (roughly) to 9.3 seconds
remember you do not want your oil viscosity to thin in hot temps. because you will lose you ability to lubricate and protect your engine.

a good ex is this. a truck driver leaves florida with a load of oranges heading for minnesota, in fla. he runs SAE 30 oil because of the ambient temp. in fla. when he (or she) get to min. the driver finds the SAE 30 is to viscious or thick to handle the sub zero temps and is having a hard time starting the vehicle. after changing oil to an SAE 15W the starting problem is solved and he can continue on. when he gets back to fla. he finds the SAE 15W is to thin due to the high temps. in fla. therefore the lubricant can not protect the engine like it should.
thus, they have made multi viscosity oils. the point is not that a certain oil is thicker or thinner because under different circumstances they will all flow the same it just depends on the temp. of the product.
how many times have we been in the north woods and the temp. has been -30* one day and 30* the next? i've seen it! make sure you choose an oil that is best for your climate and has a broad viscosity range to cover those sudden changes in weather!
basically the ultimate protection for any motor would be a 0W-60 but the viscosity range of that oil is nearly impossible to achieve
i run amsoil 0W-40 four stroke in mine and i love it!
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sleddheadd said:
make sure you choose an oil that is best for your climate and has a broad viscosity range to cover those sudden changes in weather!
basically the ultimate protection for any motor would be a 0W-60 but the viscosity range of that oil is nearly impossible to achieve
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The problem with broad viscosity ranges like posted above is this oil is loaded with VISCOSITY INDEX IMPROVERS(the ability of oil to change weights/VI is a measure of an oil's resistance to viscosity change with temperature change) and over time/mileage it breaks down and can thin out nothing wrong with that just something that happens and keep in mind with a broad viscosity range oil.for example i like sticking to a more closely vis range with LESS VII's like a 5w30 or 10w30 it's more a robust oil(less likely to shear),and it will keep you well protected in any weather(temp) form 100deg texas to -20 canada,winter i run a 0w30 for better cold start flow,also full synthetics help combat this issue.$.02
 
daman said:
The problem with broad viscosity ranges like posted above is this oil is loaded with VISCOSITY INDEX IMPROVERS(the ability of oil to change weights/VI is a measure of an oil's resistance to viscosity change with temperature change) and over time/mileage it breaks down and can thin out nothing wrong with that just something that happens and keep in mind with a broad viscosity range oil.for example i like sticking to a more closely vis range with LESS VII's like a 5w30 or 10w30 it's more a robust oil(less likely to shear),and it will keep you well protected in any weather(temp) form 100deg texas to -20 canada,winter i run a 0w30 for better cold start flow,also full synthetics help combat this issue.$.02
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Now this is funny! Daman, throwing in his $.02! There is something we don't see every day!
Nice write up Sleddheadd!
 
WeSled2 said:
Now this is funny! Daman, throwing in his $.02! There is something we don't see every day!
Nice write up Sleddheadd!
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glad i could make you laught, do you know something i don't? or can add some usefull info to this thread?
 
daman..with inflation these days you better make it $.03...lol.How is your lawn doing these days.I am chipping ice around the house and waiting for the Flood to come.Should be fun,at least no lawn to work on for a while longer.BUT..next week lot of moisture and snow coming and temps dropping to -8 to -10 C.May be riding on the weekend again. ;)!
 
dan..I could send you some snow in a container..priority post. 7 hours north of me there is so much snow.Waist high I hear on the Lakes.And snow fall warning going on up North as we speak.They will be sledding till June sometimes..lucky stiffs. Up to 30 cm of new snow.
kapusta you are reading this..I think next year I will come up there to visit ya for a week or two in Flin Flon,Manitoba.I have been to Thompson before to,10 hours AWAY.Just have to get myself a long tracked sled first.And your oil ratio of 50:1 is good for that sled.
 
daman said:
glad i could make you laught, do you know something i don't? or can add some usefull info to this thread?
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You did make me laught! You even made me laugh! (now,watch his post for a typo edit)I will not say wether I know more than you or not because I am unsure of your education in the oil field or if you are only getting your information from the internet. Either way, Sleddheadd does a very nice write up on the viscosity of oil and as All of us should have expected, Daman is right there to throw his 2 cents in. I do not believe the thread was to encourage people to buy 0w-60, it was only to give a general idea on how the grading scale works but thank you very much for straightening things out!
 
I know what his post was getting at bro and no no goggling required here i've been around and don't need to prove my self to YOU or any one else,just adding some useful information for readers to read where's your info instead of bashing bro?? you google and do some reading you may just learn something enstead of wasting time posting useless posts like your two above.

Oh and no bashing intended to sleddheadd but half his post was a copy and
past, i've read that before on amsoil's web site.


now quit wasting my time little man and move along............
 
daman said:
I know what his post was getting at bro and no no goggling required here i've been around and don't need to prove my self to YOU or any one else,just adding some useful information for readers to read where's your info instead of bashing bro?? you google and do some reading you may just learn something enstead of wasting time posting useless posts like your two above.

Oh and no bashing intended to sleddheadd but half his post was a copy and
past, i've read that before on amsoil's web site.


now quit wasting my time little man and move along............
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Actually, Daman, That was not a copy and paste from the Amsoil website. I retrieved that information from the Amsoil Lubrication I manual which is available to dealers to help improve their knowledge. It is on an individual basis if each shall partake in the information available to them to help improve their knowledge of our product and is also a very helpful sales tool.
your saying all I did was copy and paste is rather hurtful to myself and my business and your disrespect is no longer welcomed in my threads.
This had started out as a thread with information about oil and also, "hopefully", an advertisement thread to help express that maybe the Amsoil guy, who Pays for advertising on this site, actually knows a thing or two about his product. The two of you have turned it into useless childish expressions of you true colors.
Thank you for the bumps and keeping it near the top of the column but you can have your $.02 back , I think I am fine without your help.
 
sleddheadd said:
Actually, Daman, That was not a copy and paste from the Amsoil website. I retrieved that information from the Amsoil Lubrication I manual which is available to dealers to help improve their knowledge. It is on an individual basis if each shall partake in the information available to them to help improve their knowledge of our product and is also a very helpful sales tool.
your saying all I did was copy and paste is rather hurtful to myself and my business and your disrespect is no longer welcomed in my threads.
This had started out as a thread with information about oil and also, "hopefully", an advertisement thread to help express that maybe the Amsoil guy, who Pays for advertising on this site, actually knows a thing or two about his product. The two of you have turned it into useless childish expressions of you true colors.
Thank you for the bumps and keeping it near the top of the column but you can have your $.02 back , I think I am fine without your help.
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wasn't offering you my help,OR implying anything read!!,you don't need it,as a dealer your required OR should know all this stuff for your customers piece of mind.

and i have read that info before,maybe not on the site but i remember reading it,when i find it i'll PM it to ya.

i said i wasn't bashing,not my style just facts. you post good info for people
that are interested in that product to read up on,keep it up.
 
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daman said:
I know what his post was getting at bro and no no goggling required here i've been around and don't need to prove my self to YOU or any one else,just adding some useful information for readers to read where's your info instead of bashing bro?? you google and do some reading you may just learn something enstead of wasting time posting useless posts like your two above.

Oh and no bashing intended to sleddheadd but half his post was a copy and
past, i've read that before on amsoil's web site.


now quit wasting my time little man and move along............
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I would believe that someone with, lets say, a Bachelors degree in automotive and mechanical engineering from Western Michigan University, would be more than happy and willing to profess that feat to the world instead of hiding behind a keyboard and expressing that he has no need to explain to myself or anyone else that he has no need to prove himself. That in itself is proof to me that you can not defend your claims to knowledge.
I enjoy reading your posts and we all know we will never run out of reading material as long as Daman is on the website. You keep me entertained and put a smile on my face and for that, I thank you!
 
WeSled2 said:
I would believe that someone with, lets say, a Bachelors degree in automotive and mechanical engineering from Western Michigan University, would be more than happy and willing to profess that feat to the world instead of hiding behind a keyboard and expressing that he has no need to explain to myself or anyone else that he has no need to prove himself. That in itself is proof to me that you can not defend your claims to knowledge.
I enjoy reading your posts and we all know we will never run out of reading material as long as Daman is on the website. You keep me entertained and put a smile on my face and for that, I thank you!
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your a piece of work OR maybe i should say s***. :) like i said move along
little boy and do some reading.
 
daman said:
your a piece of work OR maybe i should say s***. :) like i said move along
little boy and do some reading.
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I have a funny feeling if we ever met you would not be calling me little boy. Maybe on a TY get together, if you can pull your fingers away from your keyboard long enough.
The Truth will set you free Brother! :rofl:
 
daman said:
Any time boy,,,,,ok?
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It seems to me that you would be the one threatening and initiating violence. At no time was that ever mentioned or implied, nor is it a solution. I had simply stated that I do not believe you would be calling me little if we ever met. Thank you for making me smile, Again!
 
daman said:
wasn't offering you my help,OR implying anything read!!,you don't need it,as a dealer your required OR should know all this stuff for your customers piece of mind.

and i have read that info before,maybe not on the site but i remember reading it,when i find it i'll PM it to ya.

i said i wasn't bashing,not my style just facts. you post good info for people
that are interested in that product to read up on,keep it up.
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Here is a link to my first post about the breakdown on oil. it was july 13, 2006 http://www.totallyamaha.net/forums/showthread.php?t=26778 This may be what you have read in the past. I just copied and pasted it from my thread to begin another as that thread had needed some cleaning up, now I can see this one also needs cleaning.
Dealers are not required to know or do anything according to Amsoil. What knowledge they gain about our product is entirely up to them, you can take it as far as you choose but then again, knowledge is power and it is easier to sell a product that you are knowledgeable about. I find it easier to be confident with my answers to questions, rather than stumbling around questions and giving people false information just to make a sale. therefore, i ama firm believer in knowledge is power.
 
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