Exciter vs. Phazer - what to expect?

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How much more performance could I expect from an Exciter over that of a Phazer? Are they noticeably quicker or faster? Thanks
 
Depends on the year of the exciter. Most exciters are slower than phazers except probably the exciter sx.
 
That is a surprise

I am surprised to read that the Exciters are heavier, and so, slower. I thought being liquid cooled and bigger cc's that they would leave a phazer behind. I shoved have been more specific - How much faster (or slower) is an Exciter ll versus a Phazer ll ?
 
Exciters are in the 80ish hp range. Phazers are 56 hp stock, but a good pipe on a phazer like an aaen or psi add somewhere like 14 hp. Combine that with porting and a good set of carbon fiber reeds, a phazer can be in the 80hp range-reliably... and they are a lot lighter.
 
If you are looking to buy an Exciter, look for a 91 and up Exciter II. These are night & day better than the earlier Exciters and are alot faster than a Phazer. The hp figure for a Eciter II is around 85-88, the earlier Exciters are around 75hp and the Exciter IISX is around 93-95.

If you are looking at a 87-90 Exciter, I would recommend the Phazer. They are light, go anywhere, good on fuel, add a pipe and reeds and you have a 70hp stallion. IMO
 
I have a 96 Phazer and two 93 exciter sx's...The Exciters have more power and yes, more weight but they eat up the Phazer in the trails and on the lakes...however, I ride my Phazer all over off trail where hands down, Eats the Exciters!
 
We had a phazer and an exciter II. The exciter would overtake the phazer on a field or lake but the phazer would initially pull ahead on acceleration because it was lighter.
 
Exciter Vs Phazer

Well, for long term dependability,low maintenance, great mpg & overall
"fun factor", the Phazer hits all of those very nicely. We have had a number them since 86 & all of them have been just about bullet proof!!
My wife rides a nice 93 right now with a DG pipe & Boyssen reeds & she has no desire to go to the newer stuff which is fine by me..LOL !!
In the powder, they are just a kick to toss around & play, but a tad "under horsed" for me at 200lbs. We have put over 5500 miles on them with ZERO issues & know that some of the ones we sold went on to 7500 miles or more before needing rings !! ;)!

Now as far as which is faster, the Exciter is hands down a faster sled. I cant agree where some guys are saying the Phazer would beat an Exciter out of the hole!! :dunno:

Gotta wonder how those Exciters were set up?? While the Phazer does have a wieght advantage, it does not, imho, make up for a well set up Exciter unless the Phazer was being ridden by 80 or 100lb midget??? LOL !!

SO for speed & a pretty nice HP package in a nimble chassis, the Exciter does pretty good & I agree that the 90 & newer Exciter 570's were the better
sleds to get. Subtle chassis changes but big improvements on the motor, carbs, & clutching, again imho!!

So if ya like the simple dependable, efficient, & fun sled, the Phazer wins hands down. ;)! Especially if you are under 150 to 160lbs!! LOL

But, if ya want a bit more HP & dont mind working on the sled occasionally, then it would be the Exciter!! :letitsnow
 
You guys are carzy to say that a phazer is faster than a exciter. i have owend both and would hands down pick the exciter regaurgless of year. yes the pazer is lighter, but an exciter is still pretty darn light compared to most sleds.

I am pretty sure all exciter (except the sx) were rated at the same hp. I know the 90+ ones got nikisil plated cylinders, but the porting is the same.
 
Racerrob hit the nail on the head for comparing the two sleds and I have owned many of both models. One thing to consider is the Phazer gets at least 3-4 mpg better and both have close to the same size gas tank. The 1990 up Exciters have the Original Pro-Action rear which is a better suspension than the Phazers Modified Pro-Action.
 
I've had 2 92 exciters and a 96 phazer at the same time for the kids to ride. The exciters were alot quicker but the phazer got alot better milage and is just as fun to ride. My SRX get's as good or better mpg's than the exciters. My twins are grown and gone and so are the exciters. Still have the phazer, it's just a fun little sled to toy around on.
 
hey exciters are way faster than a phazer
I ride 1990 exciter and my brother rides '91 phazer II. i kick his *** in a race every time. And my *** weighs 50 pounds more than his.

top end on exciter is way better. lake runs i can pull 105 MPH on the exciter. the phazer - maybe 90 at best.


fan engines never performed like liquids. just look at the fact all race sleds (not to mention all modern sleds) are liquid....unless their old thenb theyre free air. b
 
LOL, mixing apples and oranges.

The Phazer has a shorter track and different clutching then the Phazer II
The Phazer will eat the Phazer II in 600 feet.

The quickest Exciter is the original 87 with butterfly carbs that did not have the casting flaw in the carb. It had a lower chain case ratio then later years. The Exciter II has the advantage of having the YXR (overdrive) clutch.

The differance between fan and liquid is consistancy of engine temp and nothing more. The Exciter is a piston port engine where the Phazer is reed induction. A piston port makes more peak HP where a reed engine makes a broader power curve.

With an unlimited budget, a Phazer can be built to beat an Exciter in all aspects except for all out top speed. An Exciter can not be made to go over 120 Mph and have no bog below 5K rpm. The 540 VMax is a good example of a piston port engine with a large intake designed for top speed only.

If you want lake racing, there is no replacement for displacement. If you want tight, corner to corner racing, the lighter the better if the ski stance is the same. Good luck beating a properly built 84-89 Phazer (110+ mph and 18+ MPG) with a ski widening kit with any Yamaha. ;) unless you are talking straight line acceleration.

But your still stuck with those stupid bogo sticks and 8 inches of rear suspension.
 
Brit44Aldo said:
LOL, mixing apples and oranges.

The Phazer has a shorter track and different clutching then the Phazer II
The Phazer will eat the Phazer II in 600 feet.

The quickest Exciter is the original 87 with butterfly carbs that did not have the casting flaw in the carb. It had a lower chain case ratio then later years. The Exciter II has the advantage of having the YXR (overdrive) clutch.

The differance between fan and liquid is consistancy of engine temp and nothing more. The Exciter is a piston port engine where the Phazer is reed induction. A piston port makes more peak HP where a reed engine makes a broader power curve.

With an unlimited budget, a Phazer can be built to beat an Exciter in all aspects except for all out top speed. An Exciter can not be made to go over 120 Mph and have no bog below 5K rpm. The 540 VMax is a good example of a piston port engine with a large intake designed for top speed only.

If you want lake racing, there is no replacement for displacement. If you want tight, corner to corner racing, the lighter the better if the ski stance is the same. Good luck beating a properly built 84-89 Phazer (110+ mph and 18+ MPG) with a ski widening kit with any Yamaha. ;) unless you are talking straight line acceleration.

But your still stuck with those stupid bogo sticks and 8 inches of rear suspension.
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Excellent comment...lets not forget about the pilot, I can take my sons Bravo on a tight trail and whip my old man on his RX-1...lol
 
phazer vs exciter

I have owned both at the same time .Exciters have way more top end . The phazers were lighter and have great low and midrange (reed valves ) exciters have no low end and a little midrange (piston port ) .On short grass my modified phazer would beat my modified exciter!! , on the lake no way .On short grass my phazer would beat 650 polaris (one of the fastest sleds at the time ) Reed valves are the best 2strokes , why does every 2stroke moto bike have them .
 
i have owned 89 and a 91 exciters and my buddy had his phazer and there was no competition he could hit mabye 85-90 and my exciters were doin 100-105mph would go by him like he was standin still
 
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