Carbs and Sea Foam

SXViperS

SXViperS

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My girl and I both have Vipers. We summerize them with sta-bil every year and start them monthly. This past summer we skipped a month :o| and now both sleds won't stay running without choke and/or throttle. I'm sure it's dirty carbs, but I'm wondering if we used Sea Foam instead of sta-bil would it have made a difference?
 
I drain my tank, then start my sled, running it out of gas, Then I put alot of oil in each cylinder like 100-200 ml each cylinder, put my plugs in and pull 5 or 6 times if it dont hydra lock, then I put more oil in each cylinder, and do it again, I use a qt of oil doing this and then I store it until fall. Then I remove and clean everything! I have never used a fogging "CRAP" in 25 years of sledding. I have proven true to lots of oil in everything! With 0 rust!
Some Use ATF ...Which I will try this Spring!
 
The way fuel in manufactured now gas is not lasting at all.
I been using a product called Kleen Flow for fuel stabilizer and has work fine.
I ran into trouble one year where the same thing happened had to choke it to run it and it was the pilots.
I also have nevered fog my 4 strokes....
 
Starting them up once a month is the worse thing you can do. Just use fuel stabilizer and fog it in the spring and don't start it until the winter, after you clean the carbs of course!
 
Either will work,i like Sta-bil my self, whats happening to you two are your pilot jets are plugged,your sled gets it's fuel for idle through these tiny tiny jets,you need to remove carbs then remove all jets and clean with carb cleaner and blow all jets and passages out with shop air,you want to see daylight through jets then held up to a light.

aslo set pilot screw to 2 turns out from lightly seated if your having any idle hang issues
 
kirk700 srx said:
I put oil in each cylinder like 100-200 ml each cylinder, put my plugs in and pull 5 or 6 times if it dont hydra lock, then I put more oil in each cylinder, and do it again,
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Kirk doing that don't coat the crank the crank bearings the rods the rod bearings etc,etc, the whole engine inside gets a nice coating of oil that's what fogging oil is,it's made with rust inhibitors additives to "coat" internal parts and stick, it's made just for that purpose.

what your doing would just coat the pistons and walls and maybe little down the case. fogging is sprayed in wile running so she's getting drowned with oil.

but to each is his own do what works for you pal not bashing just saying. ;)!
 
I use Sta Bil marine version specifically for ethonal. This product offers better corrosion control and fuel storage control. It cost more but stores more gallons of fuel. Last fall i used 26 quarts for my boat customers. I am now using regulary in our corvette and jeep along with the sleds at every fill up.
 
I thought about the marine version too but have a pile of red left,,have to try when im out,whats the ratio???
 
1 qt will treat 320 gallons for consistant use, running engine. I treat 1 oz per 5 gallons for storage. Basically most of my units get 6 oz of conditioner. this will treat 30 gallons. bigger boats I treat higher especially if the unit has a 75 to 100 gallon tank. Al
 
SXViperS said:
My girl and I both have Vipers. We summerize them with sta-bil every year and start them monthly. This past summer we skipped a month :o| and now both sleds won't stay running without choke and/or throttle. I'm sure it's dirty carbs, but I'm wondering if we used Sea Foam instead of sta-bil would it have made a difference?
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personally,, I THINK THE ABSOLUTE WORST THING you could possibly do is START THEM UP ONCE A MONTH..... i've written post after post about the residuals and the effects of COMBUSTION and also the byproducts created by STARTING the engines up ONCE A MONTH!!!! ABSOLUTELY THE WORST thing you could do to your sleds.... My wife and I have IDENTICAL 2004 Viper ER's and I WOULD NEVER start them up after they were stored PROPERLY....
 
if you would have stored them properly and refrained from starting them up monthly... you PROLLY ( I love that word "prolly") would have been riding them instead of getting them FIXED!!!! PULL your carbs,,, (or have someone who KNOWS about 2 stroke engines pull them for you) and GO THROUGH THEM THOROUGHLY!!!!!
 
kirk700 srx said:
I drain my tank, then start my sled, running it out of gas, Then I put alot of oil in each cylinder like 100-200 ml each cylinder, put my plugs in and pull 5 or 6 times if it dont hydra lock, then I put more oil in each cylinder, and do it again, I use a qt of oil doing this and then I store it until fall. Then I remove and clean everything! I have never used a fogging "CRAP" in 25 years of sledding. I have proven true to lots of oil in everything! With 0 rust!
Some Use ATF ...Which I will try this Spring!
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GOOD INFO!!!!
 
Yeah,

Nosboy I am with you on this one!.... But the klots thing ... Not so much!!! lol I am a Loyal AMSOIL User and Dealer, but I Know there has gotta be something better for the power valve engine, And cheaper too???

nosboy said:
personally,, I THINK THE ABSOLUTE WORST THING you could possibly do is START THEM UP ONCE A MONTH..... i've written post after post about the residuals and the effects of COMBUSTION and also the byproducts created by STARTING the engines up ONCE A MONTH!!!! ABSOLUTELY THE WORST thing you could do to your sleds.... My wife and I have IDENTICAL 2004 Viper ER's and I WOULD NEVER start them up after they were stored PROPERLY....
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To each their own, live and let live but starting the sleds once a month is not a good way to keep them in shape for the upcoming sledding season, IMO and experience. This does nothing to keep the carbs clean and unless you get the engine and exhaust system up to operating temp., you will end up leaving moisture in the engine. The time proven best way to store the engine (any engine being prepared for long-term storage) is to "fog" the engine with an oli made for this purpose. Fogging oil has a high percentage of rust inhibitors and the fogging process coats every part inside the engine. I rev the engine up slightly then lay into it with 3 cans of fogging oil, one per cylinder until it stalls. I then drain the tank, remove the carbs and clean them. I put some fogging oil in the flroat bowls, fog the carbs then plug the carbs with large rubber plugs. I plug the exhaust with a rubber plug. Next year, I fill the tank with 2-3 gallons of gas, drain it, refill it with fresh gas and start the sled up.
 
alswagg said:
1 qt will treat 320 gallons for consistant use, running engine. I treat 1 oz per 5 gallons for storage. Basically most of my units get 6 oz of conditioner. this will treat 30 gallons. bigger boats I treat higher especially if the unit has a 75 to 100 gallon tank. Al
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thats good stuff then the red is 1 oz per 2 1/2 gal but i always double it because i'm me. :mrgreen:
 
rx1jim said:
and unless you get the engine and exhaust system up to operating temp., you will end up leaving moisture in the engine.
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Thats the thing...IF your going to just have to do it start it up and run it till it's hot,you want the engine HOT to burn any moister outa the engine,then let it cool down with hood open dont just covre it back up.
 
kirk700 srx said:
Yeah,

Nosboy I am with you on this one!.... But the klots thing ... Not so much!!! lol I am a Loyal AMSOIL User and Dealer, but I Know there has gotta be something better for the power valve engine, And cheaper too???
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Im TOTALLY ANTI AMSOIL,,,but,,, I LOVE synthetics... AMSOIL pulled some SHIFTY CRAP on some people that I was aquianted with and LIED their AsSeS off and costs another "synthetic" company their business.... I wouldn't PEE on amsoil if they were on FIRE!!!!
 
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