04 viper ER oil consumption questions???

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I have TWO identical 2004 Yamaha Viper ER snowmobiles.... One I bought new (with 500 miles) from a dealer in janesville Wisconsin and one i bought used from a guy in New York (with 2000 miles)... Riding in the U.P (Munising) we went 155 miles and HER SLED used about 24 ounces of oil and around 10.1 gallons of fuel and MY SLED used 10 ounces of oil and about 9.6 gallons of fuel... My question is,,, WHAT IS THE CORRECT AMOUNT OF OIL CONSUMPTION?????? is around 50 to 1 (her sled) proper OR is 126 to 1 (my sled) proper,,, or SOMEWHERES IN BETWEEN?????? Thanks in advance.... Gary oles nosboy
 
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today,, my sled has around 3500 miles and hers around 2500 miles if that makes any difference...
 
nosboy said:
we went 155 miles and HER SLED used about 24 ounces of fuel and around 10.1 gallons of fuel and MY SLED used 10 ounces of oil and about 9.6 gallons of fuel...
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You must mean 24 ounces of oil on her sled, and 10 ounces for yours.

In that case, 24 ounces is a heck of a lot of oil to use in 150 miles. My 00xc 600VES uses less oil than that and it has a super high output pump on it.

I don't think my 97 600 venture used that much oil when the oil pump failed to full output.
 
I just looked at the cables and I readjusted to match the threads on her sled... 10 gallons is 1280 ounces and 50 to 1 would be about 25 ounces... So,, I figure her sled is about right.. 24 ounces for 10 gallons of fuel.. My sled has PROBABLY been running at 126 to 1 since it has been NEW!!!!!! Thank god for SYNTHETIC KLOTZ oil!!! Hopefully ,,it saved my engine??????
 
A pint of oil, which is 16 ounces to 6 gallons of fuel is a 50 to 1 ratio.
32 ounces of oil to 12 gallons of fuel is also 50 to 1 ratio. Gary, you are scarry lean on the oil. Of course the Yamaha sleds oil pump is variable, so the less amount of throttle being used, uses less oil and fuel. The more throttle more oil more fuel. this also pertains to rpm use also. Is your wife outrunning you? lol just kidding. Al
 
Her oil consumption is almost spot on. Daman has a nice writeup on the procedure to get you much closer.

Read this post.

Imagine your throttle lever pulling an oil pump cable and the throttle cable at the same time (which it does). If your throttle cable has too much play in it, you will pull the oil cable sooner than it is designed to be pulled in effect causing a higher oil consumption. Most of my sleds had this problem.

You however need to shorten your oil cable to pull sooner. My 2001 SRX I had to shorten the gap to the minimum setting of 18 or 19mm if I recall. In a pinch you might be able to lenthen your throttle cable gap a bit too.
 
A rule of thumb Gary 1 qt to 1 tank of fuel(12 gals) will be spot on for 48- 50:1

make sure idle is set then TEP then oil pump like mysx7 posted
 
nosboy said:
I just looked at the cables and I readjusted to match the threads on her sled... 10 gallons is 1280 ounces and 50 to 1 would be about 25 ounces... So,, I figure her sled is about right.. 24 ounces for 10 gallons of fuel.. My sled has PROBABLY been running at 126 to 1 since it has been NEW!!!!!! Thank god for SYNTHETIC KLOTZ oil!!! Hopefully ,,it saved my engine??????
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Hmmm, I may have to rethink my position on Amsoil vs. Klotz.

I ran my dirt bike for years at 100:1 using Amsoil 100:1 and still do with the weedwacker but shoot, 126:1 would've saved me some cash.

Agreed, 126:1 is scarry lean even with high dollar oil.
 
snomofo said:
Hmmm, I may have to rethink my position on Amsoil vs. Klotz.

I ran my dirt bike for years at 100:1 using Amsoil 100:1 and still do with the weedwacker but shoot, 126:1 would've saved me some cash.

Agreed, 126:1 is scarry lean even with high dollar oil.
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you never want that lean with ANY oil!!!!
 
daman said:
you never want that lean with ANY oil!!!!
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I was joking and I'm not advocating running 126:1 but he's got 3k miles on it and seems to think it's been that way since day one.

However, I ran my 400IT, KTM500 and RM250 at 100:1 with Amsoil 100:1 premix without issue.
 
snomofo said:
However, I ran my 400IT, KTM500 and RM250 at 100:1 with Amsoil 100:1 premix without issue.
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Vipers are a whole different animal,,they need oil.

your a brave sole you'd never catch me running that thin i don't care who's oil it is, life expectancy is being reduced over the long haul.
 
Daman, I am with you on this. Just for conversation though, The new Evinrude outboards E tech engines, are using up to 500 to 1 oil. The oil only lubes the pistons. The fuel is injected after the piston has past the exauhst port on the compression stroke. The crank, wrist pin, and rod brgs are sealed brgs. no oil or fuel is in these areas's. I have not seen any engine failures on these type of motors. Extremely lean on oil. Al
 
alswagg said:
Daman, I am with you on this. Just for conversation though, The new Evinrude outboards E tech engines, are using up to 500 to 1 oil. The oil only lubes the pistons. The fuel is injected after the piston has past the exauhst port on the compression stroke. The crank, wrist pin, and rod brgs are sealed brgs. no oil or fuel is in these areas's. I have not seen any engine failures on these type of motors. Extremely lean on oil. Al
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The thing is als marine engines are in a different league then 2 stroke sled engines, boat motors usually stays at a specific RPM range for long periods and run a whole lot cooler While a sled can rev to the moon and back and the RPM's are always changing and run hotter, you cant compare the two there nothing alike in the real world. Sled engines live a harsh sever life.

thats why theres TC-W3 and JASO oil specs,ones marine ones snowmobile
 
I have noticed on the mix ratio sheet for the oil product that I use they claim to run/use it at a 50:1 ratio for a cylinder dispacement 175cc or larger and if you had a cylinder displacement smaller than that they recommend using a mixture that is more fortified with oil (40:1). I have run high revving 2 stroke motors that get alot of abuse at the 40-50:1 ratios and have noticed almost no wear on components, and usually when the oil mixture "gets thin" is usually when you start to notice wear and tear on the internals.
 
back in the day they used to recommend richer levels of oil in high rev en hard working engines like chain saws,lawn mowers,etc 20-30:1,but now there getting leaner mixes that work because oil's have came a long way sense yester year,but this 90-100:1 crap in a sled no way not in nothing of mine plus yamaha dont recomend it.

50:1 and call it a day....
 
Sxr700Bandit said:
and usually when the oil mixture "gets thin" is usually when you start to notice wear and tear on the internals.
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BINGO!!!

you may not notice it today but you will down the road
 
daman said:
Vipers are a whole different animal,,they need oil.

your a brave sole you'd never catch me running that thin i don't care who's oil it is, life expectancy is being reduced over the long haul.
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I used Yamalube in my YZ and IT360. When I upgraded to the 400 my riding buddy and Amsoil dealer said to try 100:1 at that same ratio. My first thought was he was nuts but I tried it and continued doing so through all the other bikes. He too used the same ratio in his CRs again without issue. We would eyeball between roughly 80:1 and 100:1. The biggest benifit was not having to carry as much oil when riding CCC trails.

I did cold seize the RM but that was due to improprer warm up after installing my first Wiseco. Never had a bottom end issue with any of them.

Again, I'm not advocating such a lean oil ratio, but nearly all of my trail bikes had no issue and even though none had a tach, I'm sure I spun them as fast as my 700 spins. Definately more rpm variation.
 
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