It is the Crowns fault really, most all of the worlds power is generated out of a few families tied to england. they controled the money for the large investment houses long ago and in turn, controled through those investments, those companies. Rothchilds, Jp morgan, GE, Standard oil, east india shipping company, Crown land(most of canada) and on and on. This has been going on, for a long time and it will continue. Energy is life itself now, without it, all nations would crumble in days. If you control its price, you control who can have it just by making sure it is too expensive for that group. This helps you in other ways, like having countries sell off land to you, change laws, destroy other companies with regulation, for political favors to lower the price so the politician in that country looks good for doing it. For example, the kennedy that got all the cheap heating oil from venesuala. Made for a great add, at a cost to???
I love the people who are still blaming bush for high oil prices when he tried to get more drilling going in this country. This dumb a$$ doesn't even want us to put in another pipe line so we can buy it from canada and he is the savior of the world.
I think I will be a good citizen of the global community and and buy a new Prius snowsled that runs on vegitiable oil and solar panels with my wellfare check and my low emission vehicle tax credit and ride it on the state subsidised trails on multiuse trails made from old closed up rail systems who seized them through eminent domain in conjunction with the fed from citizens who bought or was given that land by or from the government who siezed it from the indians who seized it from who ever was here before them.
the problem with the price of fuel is that too many people are using it, that have not earned the right to.
I love the people who are still blaming bush for high oil prices when he tried to get more drilling going in this country. This dumb a$$ doesn't even want us to put in another pipe line so we can buy it from canada and he is the savior of the world.
I think I will be a good citizen of the global community and and buy a new Prius snowsled that runs on vegitiable oil and solar panels with my wellfare check and my low emission vehicle tax credit and ride it on the state subsidised trails on multiuse trails made from old closed up rail systems who seized them through eminent domain in conjunction with the fed from citizens who bought or was given that land by or from the government who siezed it from the indians who seized it from who ever was here before them.
the problem with the price of fuel is that too many people are using it, that have not earned the right to.
A couple of bucks
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Certain groups/people from around the world, would benifit from North America being on the verge of being a third world country.
bluemonster1 said:
its not that we dont have refineries here in norway, but the reason is that we have a goverment that LOVE to make taxes on EVERYTHING.
On meny gas stations here in norway we have a little sign on the gaspump that show that the original gasprice here in norway is about 1,25$ for a liter, or about 5$ a gallon. and the rest is tax that the goverment wants.
The biggest problem here in norway is the tax-horny goverment that have insane tax on EVERYTHING
here is an example: a desent Ford Mustang 2011 mod in the US that we can say is priced to 25.000 $ over there. guess the price here in Norway... exacly the same car, same specs and everything. then you are looking at about 320.792 $. base price is the same as you guys have, but we have something named One time tax, and we have tax on that again and so on and on and on... you get the pic?.
so you see it is extremly expensive to live in Norway and buy and use the fun things. (snowmobile, exotic cars, etc,etc)
Btw.. snowmobiling is illegal in most of norway to
, or you can say that everything that is fun is illegal in Norway 
I believe there is a group of people in the world controlling this. People that tell our president everyday what he needs to do. That is why our president cant do anything.
Gold is going to $3,000 an ounce. Crude is going to $150 a barrell.
There is more oil in the norther slope of the Alaskan Gull Island then Saudi Arabia has ever had. It was proven way back in the 70's and ordered capped off by the Government., enough to run this country for 200 + years. There is only a small section of the Northern Slope being drilled but it all goes over seas. IF you dont believe me, then why is gas more expensive when your right next to the pipe line?
Folks, all of our industries have been taken over seas. This is not the America it use to be.
Gold is going to $3,000 an ounce. Crude is going to $150 a barrell.
There is more oil in the norther slope of the Alaskan Gull Island then Saudi Arabia has ever had. It was proven way back in the 70's and ordered capped off by the Government., enough to run this country for 200 + years. There is only a small section of the Northern Slope being drilled but it all goes over seas. IF you dont believe me, then why is gas more expensive when your right next to the pipe line?
Folks, all of our industries have been taken over seas. This is not the America it use to be.
yami1
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Amen on the last two post. I like blue's idea supply your country first then whatever is left you make a profit on. this worlds moral compass is fubar'ed for sure
ALLSEASONRIDER
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It's a joke....you hear about oil companies having record profits and it makes you want to puke!
Our total economy is seriously influenced by the price of a gal of gas. As it goes up, people drive less..> less car service is needed (labor), less parts are needed (suppliers/truckers etc), less accidents....body shops suffer (labor/parts again) as do their suppliers/distributors/paint companies/3M etc....on and on and on....
Obviously, all the companies/suppliers above have multiple levels of employees that support the local ecomomy or don't based on their paycheck...
Basically, every time there is a considerable swing in the price of fuel (no matter what you are paying) driving habits/hobbies change for some. I know of several people that have gotten out of sledding/boating/ATVing due to the cost of fuel for both using and trailering to an appropriate area or in the case of boating just the raw cost to go fast. That's more like gallons per mile vs. miles per gal!
Some may think that these folks quitting their sport are not REAL lovers of the sport, however basic economics has made it not a smart choice with family responsibilities and a hopeful retirement someday....
I know waa waaa waaaaa...looked like a good thread to vent in
Our total economy is seriously influenced by the price of a gal of gas. As it goes up, people drive less..> less car service is needed (labor), less parts are needed (suppliers/truckers etc), less accidents....body shops suffer (labor/parts again) as do their suppliers/distributors/paint companies/3M etc....on and on and on....
Obviously, all the companies/suppliers above have multiple levels of employees that support the local ecomomy or don't based on their paycheck...
Basically, every time there is a considerable swing in the price of fuel (no matter what you are paying) driving habits/hobbies change for some. I know of several people that have gotten out of sledding/boating/ATVing due to the cost of fuel for both using and trailering to an appropriate area or in the case of boating just the raw cost to go fast. That's more like gallons per mile vs. miles per gal!
Some may think that these folks quitting their sport are not REAL lovers of the sport, however basic economics has made it not a smart choice with family responsibilities and a hopeful retirement someday....
I know waa waaa waaaaa...looked like a good thread to vent in
For every .01 cent gas goes up, it affects the economy by 1.4 $Billion. That extra money goes to the oil companies/wall street huggers instead of the econonmy. A .20 cent increase is devastating, just imagine when it jumps to over $4 a gallon this summer.
A few more things. Back in the 70's, Secretary of state Henry Henry Kissinger went over to Saudi Arabia and a few other countries and told all the Arabs that America wanted to develop their oil fields. Some bought in and some didnt. The 2 countries that did not buy into this was Iraq and Iran. He told them they can have anything they ever wanted.... The only thing the U.S. wanted back in return is for these other nations they developed the oil fields is to purchase into the U.S national debt. Our national debt is currently in the trillions I think around 13 or 14 trillion last I checked
If we were to start drilling our own oil today and become energy independent, the U.S would have broken the contract and these countries would stop buying our debt. The economy would crash and the U.S would default.
This is scary stuff folks. By the end of 2012, the US Dollar is suppose to be dead. The only thing that can save you is if you have gold or silver. Your dollar is going to become worthless overnight. If you dont think it can happen, look up what happened in the 1920's for the great depression. Everybody had invested in paper and it became worthless overnight when everything crashed and the banks when belly up.
Theres a lot more to this but were in for some very tough times to come yet. You havnt seen anything yet
A few more things. Back in the 70's, Secretary of state Henry Henry Kissinger went over to Saudi Arabia and a few other countries and told all the Arabs that America wanted to develop their oil fields. Some bought in and some didnt. The 2 countries that did not buy into this was Iraq and Iran. He told them they can have anything they ever wanted.... The only thing the U.S. wanted back in return is for these other nations they developed the oil fields is to purchase into the U.S national debt. Our national debt is currently in the trillions I think around 13 or 14 trillion last I checked
If we were to start drilling our own oil today and become energy independent, the U.S would have broken the contract and these countries would stop buying our debt. The economy would crash and the U.S would default.
This is scary stuff folks. By the end of 2012, the US Dollar is suppose to be dead. The only thing that can save you is if you have gold or silver. Your dollar is going to become worthless overnight. If you dont think it can happen, look up what happened in the 1920's for the great depression. Everybody had invested in paper and it became worthless overnight when everything crashed and the banks when belly up.
Theres a lot more to this but were in for some very tough times to come yet. You havnt seen anything yet
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bluemonster1
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funny thing Tom,we were talking about this here today.
SRX500kid
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i just got back from old forge ny and one place had ethenal free gas for $5 a gallon! we had to have over $450 in gas for three days but we put on 250 miles though!!!
Yamasquaw
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Yamasquaw..where are they suppose to put these 75,000 workers to live.Ft Mac already can't handle the population there for years already..30 story apartment complex's would work..wow there is going to be a need for builders and tons of other trades needed also.I know of people that have made a killing in wages from there beyond their wildest dreams and young yet.One guy in particular came back here to live finally because his girlfriend was here and she doesn't want to leave.He was in his 30's and had his own crew of guys up their..basically can retire now..some people are just so lucky...
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Ft.Mac is a gong show with the boom around here. Most of the work are camp jobs and most places will house from 3,000 to 15,000 men/woman. Its nuts. When i was working at CNRL Horizon in 2007 there were 17,000 workers there. They said it was one of the top 3 construction sites in the world. And just down from where i'm staying now was a 3,000 man camp which in turn now holds up to 9,000 and when done 11,000. Its like little towns up here. More like jails
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Ft.Mac is a gong show with the boom around here. Most of the work are camp jobs and most places will house from 3,000 to 15,000 men/woman. Its nuts. When i was working at CNRL Horizon in 2007 there were 17,000 workers there. They said it was one of the top 3 construction sites in the world. And just down from where i'm staying now was a 3,000 man camp which in turn now holds up to 9,000 and when done 11,000. Its like little towns up here. More like jails
killerklown
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Luckily we have the smartest man in the world in our White House. Heard him talking on TV friday about how we should be extracting energy from ALGAE....
I think the American people will only take this for so long....
I think the American people will only take this for so long....
staggs65
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I know it's hard to discuss gas prices without getting into politics but lets do our best.
Its not the oil companies making the price of gas so high. Most of all the Gas we put in our cars around the nation is from foreign oil. We buy oil from the Saudis and the middle east. The U.S Dollar has fallen so much to these other countries that it takes many more of our dollars to buy the same barrel of oil we have always bought from these people. There is no energy crisis and there never has been. Our Govt created an artificial crisis back in the 70's in order to regulate the production and the price at the pump. They knew what they were doing.
When the Govt has done a handful of bail outs in the trillions to bail out worthless companies in the 1st place, What do you think it does the the value of our dollar?
When the Federal Reserve has to print trillions in paper what do you think happens?
It devalues the dollar so much that our grandchildren will be paying for it for all of their lives. This is not right, it is unfair, and it is unmoral.
Here is another example.. Back in the 60's you could go into a bank and trade 1 paper dollar for a silver coin dollar. Today,, you cannot do that.. The dollar is being defaced so much that it is driving up the cost of everything. This is not by coincidence, it is all a designed plan.
I am not bringing politics to the board, I am speaking the truth of what has happened and what is about to happen.
When the Govt has done a handful of bail outs in the trillions to bail out worthless companies in the 1st place, What do you think it does the the value of our dollar?
When the Federal Reserve has to print trillions in paper what do you think happens?
It devalues the dollar so much that our grandchildren will be paying for it for all of their lives. This is not right, it is unfair, and it is unmoral.
Here is another example.. Back in the 60's you could go into a bank and trade 1 paper dollar for a silver coin dollar. Today,, you cannot do that.. The dollar is being defaced so much that it is driving up the cost of everything. This is not by coincidence, it is all a designed plan.
I am not bringing politics to the board, I am speaking the truth of what has happened and what is about to happen.
killerklown
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true dat^^^
sleeper_dave
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The oil companies don't set the price of oil. It's set on an open market. The problem is, speculators drive up demand. They come in and buy oil or gas as an investment, then sell it at a higher price. If the price doesn't go up, they hold on to it. This is to the point where there are tankers anchored off our coasts full of oil just waiting for the price to go up. Then the news bites you hear about that could cause the price of oil to spike, only cause the price to spike because of speculators thinking it will spike, then making it spike by buying. We haven't had any spikes in demand, or real interruptions in supply... there is no reason it should be as expensive as it is. If you limit speculation, or tax the shit out of it, prices will come down and remain stable.
Yes there is plenty of oil in canada... but if prices drop to $30 a barrel like they were in the 90's, all of that production will stop. Oil sands and oil shale take a lot of processing, and it costs over $30 a barrel to produce that oil. For production and developement to be sustained at current levels, prices have to stay above $50 a barrel. I'd say $70-$80 a barrel is reasonable once you take speculators out of the market.
If oil goes to $150 a barrel, the world economy will tank, prices will fall, and hopefully we'll see a lot of speculators lose their ***.
Yes there is plenty of oil in canada... but if prices drop to $30 a barrel like they were in the 90's, all of that production will stop. Oil sands and oil shale take a lot of processing, and it costs over $30 a barrel to produce that oil. For production and developement to be sustained at current levels, prices have to stay above $50 a barrel. I'd say $70-$80 a barrel is reasonable once you take speculators out of the market.
If oil goes to $150 a barrel, the world economy will tank, prices will fall, and hopefully we'll see a lot of speculators lose their ***.
Lexar said:This i just have to comment.
I almost die every time i see the complaining on gas prices over there in the us.. here in Norway we now have 2.86$ for 1 liter of gas. that is not even premium. that will be about 11,44$ for a gallon. and here i sit in a rich oil nation that just discovered one of, if not the biggest oil field ever discovered in norwegian history and we still have these gas prices..
i rest my case
Agree. With a convertion ratio of 5,6 kr/usd, I just paid 2,85 for a liter of premium, that's 10,78 usd pr gallon! (3,785 liter).
Speaking of spiking gas prices, I heard on the radio today its going to $5 a gallon in June. Probably right in line with the $150 a barrel for crude
crude oil today spiked again to $125.13 a barrel. Right now the national average for a gallon of gas is roughly $4 Hold onto your shorts, its going to be a long year with much worse to come
tripplec
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tomseal6 said:
Don't know about you but my shorts are up and in you know where. It's $5.90 Cnd Gal or 4.5 liters.
I am going to be nude soon...
bluemonster1
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where did you get that figure.I checked the market today and the price now is $106.75 a barrel.tomseal6 said: