now don't everyone start in on the stuff that we are criticizing him for. we love our yammies, they love their doos. some love fords, some chevy's, it all depends on the person and the applications. sure, doo's got a great rider forward design, but yammy is working on one too because thats what we the consumers have asked for. but have you seen the size of that powerplant? i mean please, its hard to work around the size of that thing to get it the way we want it. thats what those ivy league guys up their at yamaha get paid for, to design these things!!! no average joe is going to come up with a fix for this stuff. they listen to us, they take in the feedback, and they put out. i know they are working on a lighter design, i know they are working on a better rider forward, i know they are. but it takes time. if the doo guys want to bash it, read the post further down "man i love that engine"!!! stick with what you know works for you and what you like and you can't go wrong. let the boys at yamaha work for you. thats all i got, peace...