Roller Secondary

Cuzino19

Cuzino19

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I'm looking to buy a good, dependable Roller Secondary. Which ones are the best for the price? Has anyone heard of the Paragon because it is supposed to be the best? I want to get a lot more acceleration but I also want to keep the top end.
 

Paragon = $800 hunk of junk! Your best bet is to go with a the R3 (Roller Rooster) from Advant-edge Motorsport. It offers considerable gains on both backshift, acceleration, and the same top end as a button secondary. Do some searching, Turk has used one alot and has good insight. I've been using one for 4 years now with great results as well.
 
Holic, not sure the answer you're looking for with that question? I have 3 of the R3 (formerly Roller Rooster) secondaries. One of them is on a race sled and the other two are trail setups. I've been working with them on the new 4-stroke models, but lack of snow has halted final calibration earlier this season.
 
No i was talking about that Bender Roller Rooster i sold you like a year ago
 
Yep, it's on a race sled. The Bender Roller Rooster and the Advant-edge R3 are the same thing. Advant-edge supplied the roller kits to Bender when they sold them. The R3 is their latest design and any year Roller Rooster can be upgraded to it.
 
I am running lp's roller and feel you loose topend. back shifting is smoother when running hard on off the throttle in the trails. notice more benefits in the powder and climbing hills.
 
to get top end with those you have to run a shallow finish angle with quite a bit of preload
 
My choice is the Paragon, of course there are numerous rollers available but most of them are nothing but AC copies with a roller. Which is a benefit in most applications for upshift and backshift but they don't correct a common problem that they have unless it is an enclosed roller.

As we all know, when you switch to the roller you either have to go with a stiffer spring or wrap the secondary tighter to increase the pinch on the belt. Then of course we need to change the primary to compensate.
What a single sided roller (as well as A button clutch) can't do is keep consistent pressure on the belt. And I mean in real world riding, not drag racing on a flat surface.

When you run hard across the lake and hit those hard bumps and unload the track or catch some air on the trails somewhere, what happens when the track bites again and re-load the secondary is, the roller or button jumps off the helix and overshifts the clutch. You can see this commonly on Yammie clucthes because the bottom of the tower casting gets contact marks in a place where it shouldn't ever contact. You'll see this running hard in rough stuff and the tach will vary, or if you just caught some air, land and the tach drops and pulls out of it.
An enclosed roller assy. will not do this. The tach stays rock solid in all conditions. Why do you think the Team works so well in Sno-cross? It's an enclosed roller. I'm not a fan of the 2 roller concept but it works.

A cheaper way to get the enclosed roller concept is to put an ER kit on the Yamaha secondary, no machining required.

What the Paragon does that none of the other clutches do is keep the sheaves opening on the same plane. Every other clutch as it shifts the sheaves rotate. Well if I want belt contact on a pulley, why do I want one side to rotate on the belt and the other side not to???? The Paragon is the ONLY secondary in which the sheaves do not rotate going through the shift range. Therefore you need way less spring in the secondary clutch. On most sleds you can tune it by just putting a higher rate primary spring in it.

Does a Paragon have issues? Sure, the early ones needed a couple changes and if you're not used to tuning with a straight helix you'll cuss the thing out, every new clutch is a challenge.

Is it worth $800? Thats up to you. If you want a cheap roller clutch, its not for you. Myself, I think it's the deal, did I have issues tuning the first one? Sure, can you take any of the 5 of them I have off any of my sleds? Not a chance.
 
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nice, i think im leaning towards the R3 because everyone says good things about it and it isnt 800 bucks.
 
yea the R3 is good, and there is a lot of knowledge of them out there because they have been around for quite awhile.
 
no question. the advant-edge R3 roller is the way to go. i use this secondary on every sled i race & trail ride. it knocked 1/10th off my et on grass with a IS700 srx. i also hold the NBSSR IS700 record for the past 2 seasons @ 135.2 mph & attribute part of the success to the R3. it is also on my trail 835 srx, 800 sx & 700 srx. no matter what the trail conditions the secondary shifts smooth as silk & the rpms hold steady & never waiver. larry simon from north bay ( pilots my IS700 ) put one on his rx1 & said it stopped the problem he had with inconsistant rpm's @ full shift because of varying trail conditions & weather. below is advant-edge web address.
bob
http://www.advant-edgemotorsport.com/
 
Well if it was me I would spend the money on a keyed shaft and a Cat roller. Exellent shift and way less money for helixs. I have one on my SRX 1000.
 
the aftermarkets are putting together much more advanced secondaries than the cat oem.
 
yamaholic how come you changed your avatar? That was a sweet sled you doing the catwalk on the SXR. Are you just chillen in the snow in that one? lol.
 
lol, just wanted a change of pace for a little while, maybe i'll throw the sxr back up someday, but i have a lot of other good ones too. Yea I was just playing dead on that one, saw some arctic cat guys coming, wanted to see how helpful they would be to a dead body. lol ;):D
 
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