There is also this company that marketed ER (energy release). It was a moly disulfide based lubricant that was a MILLION times better than anything else out there.. The price shy'ed people away from it and I haven't seen it around the "snowmobile market" in a few years,,,but,,, that stuff was a ZILLION times better than anything out there!!! That stuff has a MIL spec that the government uses!!!! They have been using it since the 1940's.. I don't know if it's available anymore,,but,,, I talked with that guy EXTENSIVELY at a trade show a bunch of years back And we talked about peoples buying habits (among other things).. Some people are just STUCK!!! You could SHOW THEM a better product (10 times better) and they will still stick with their INFERIOR product!!! They will JUSTIFY on how they NEVER had any trouble with their inferior product, and keep using it!!! Kinda like how I feel about YAMALUBE!!!! I'm not going to get into a peeing match with anyone about this topic... trans fluid is a GREAT IDEA!!!!! Gary Oles nosboy