frozen oil?

I've had a 4 stroke mineral oil (car oil) freeze in -35c. That was a "summer" oil though..
 

skidooboy said:
-40 windchill is not -40 f or c real temp for inanimate objects either. you are comparing apples to oranges.

if it is -20 f with -100 f wind chill, the temp for cars, trucks , oil, gas and water is still only -20 f. not -100.

ski
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I disagree....so your saying that if my truck's anti-freeze is good for -5 f and it's sitting out side facing into the (wind)wind-chill of -30 f it's not going to freeze??

it will...happened two years ago with a beater car i had,if somethings subjected to "that wind".. it will get that cold etc.

unless were not on the same page here and your taking somthing else,
thats my opinion..
 
everything you wanted to know about wind chill.

http://www.weather.gov/om/windchill/windchillglossary.shtml

in a nut shell:

1. What is windchill temperature?

A. The windchill temperature is how cold people and animals feel when outside. Windchill is based on the rate of heat loss from exposed skin caused by wind and cold. As the wind increases, it draws heat from the body, driving down skin temperature and eventually the internal body temperature. Therefore, the wind makes it FEEL much colder. If the temperature is 0 degrees Fahrenheit and the wind is blowing at 15 mph, the windchill is -19 degrees Fahrenheit. At this windchill temperature, exposed skin can freeze in 30 minutes.

2. Can windchill impact my car's radiator or exposed water pipe? back

A. The only effect windchill has on inanimate objects, such as car radiators and water pipes, is to shorten the amount of time for the object to cool. The inanimate object will not cool below the actual air temperature. For example, if the temperature outside is -5 degrees Fahrenheit and the windchill temperature is -31 degrees Fahrenheit, then your car's radiator will not drop lower than -5 degrees Fahrenheit

12. Does windchill only apply to people and animals?

Yes. The only effect windchill has on inanimate objects, such as car radiators and water pipes, is to more quickly cool the object to cool to the current air temperature. Object will NOT cool below the actual air temperature. For example, if the temperature outside is -5 degrees Fahrenheit and the windchill temperature is -31 degrees Fahrenheit, then your car's radiator will not drop lower than -5 degrees
 
98srx6 said:
That is a highly inaccurate statement.


Your wrong too.
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Show us proof then prove us wrong.......

i already proved it to my self with my Rad.,was fine all winter till that
damn wind storm..

LOL..i have never seen oil freeze,
 
Skidoo boy is correct. The only impact that windchill has on inanimate objects (like your car engine), is that it will increase the rate of cooling if you have it plugged in (for those of you with block heaters). It will be harder to keep your engine warm while plugged in with a windchill.

I remember covering the hood of my 1964 Olds F85 with a sleeping bag in the old days!!! Well it wasn't that long ago.

If your antifreeze froze then it was not at the right concentration for the AMBIENT temperature (non-windchill temp). That's a FACT.

Exciterfan
 
Daman so your telling me if its 90degrees outside and you have 15-20mph winds, its goin to increase the temps of radiator cause of the wind. Its the same situation but opposite temps. Windchill temps are for PEOPLE and is measured for what WE feel. Wind WILL NOT INCREASE OR DECREASE metal tempatures cause its all one temp. its just blowing around. You want more proof than what SKI gave ya, then look more into it but you'll be watsing your time. Cause he already sumed it up for ya.

OIL WILL NOT FREEZE SOLID unless your talking temps MUCH MUCH colder than any place on Earth. It may become thicker when temps drop but IT WILL NOT FREEZE at Earth temps.
 
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ExpertXViper said:
Daman so your telling me if its 90degrees outside and you have 15-20mph winds, its goin to increase the temps of radiator cause of the wind. Its the same situation but opposite temps. Windchill temps are for PEOPLE and is measured for what WE feel. Wind WILL NOT INCREASE OR DECREASE metal tempatures cause its all one temp. its just blowing around. You want more proof than what SKI gave ya, then look more into it but you'll be watsing your time. Cause he already sumed it up for ya.

OIL WILL NOT FREEZE SOLID unless your talking temps MUCH MUCH colder than any place on Earth. It may become thicker when temps drop but IT WILL NOT FREEZE at Earth temps.
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i'm not sure what the anti freeze was good down to but all i know is i ran that
car all winter long...no problems, then one night we got a hell of a good
wind ,snow storm and the next morn.heading to work i lost coolant
from a cracked rad...and like i said up to that point before that i ran it all
winter without a issue..can you explain it then..

in normal winter temps oil will not freeze,,what do you think the P/P rating
is for??....go beyond that and it's a different story..
 
daman said:
Show us proof then prove us wrong.......

i already proved it to my self with my Rad.,was fine all winter till that
damn wind storm..

LOL..i have never seen oil freeze,
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Ski already provided more than enough info to prove you wrong on your wind chill theory.

Regarding oil freezing, it may not freeze solid like water but it certainly reaches a point where viscosity is much to great for an engine to overcome (any temperature well below the oils rated pour temperature). Oil weight choices are finite and the available choices (that I know of) will not provide an acceptable viscosity range to allow use in ALL temperatures. E.g. I don't believe there are many (if any) internal combustion engines (perfect FI or not) that will start start cold with an oil temperature of -100˚C even if using 5W oil or a 0W oil for that matter.
 
98srx6 said:
Ski already provided more than enough info to prove you wrong on your wind chill theory.
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so i'm suppose to take that text as the gospel over my own eye's and
experience....i don't think so..
 
I am definately no expert on wind chill but I must say, that after reading most of this tread that I agree with the fact that wind chill does not actually make objects colder. It only helps to cool things faster. Kind of like turning a fan on in the summer. The fan does not cool the air but it makes the air feel cooler to humans.
 
daman said:
I disagree....so your saying that if my truck's anti-freeze is good for -5 f and it's sitting out side facing into the (wind)wind-chill of -30 f it's not going to freeze??
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Your living on the edge at only -5 protection, and will from hundreds
of them towed in over the years that if not cracked will look like a
seven eleven green slushy inside. That's the edge. It's bang from there.

If anyone has a dought of their protection and there is danger of severe
cold coming, then just drain it.
You can use a wet vac to suck it dry in 2 seconds.

The simple fact it's facing the wind is only doing one thing.
Cooling it faster, not lower.
No anti freeze would protect us with wind chill at 100 below 0, if
wind chill was a factor.
We would have to use oil instead. Like some machines are using
the last 8 years.
 
If windchill temps effected antifreeze in your radiator, you would never get it to not freeze. You drive to work at 60mph. That's a pretty good wind chill. Hang your bare arm out the window some morning. My truck doesn't care if it's 0 or -20.

It doesn't freeze it just takes longer to get warm due to the cold air displacing the warm air. That's why you see big trucks, school buses, etc. with the covers on the grill in front of the radiator. If it needs more air to keep cool you open them up a bit. If it needs less air to help it warm/maintain temp then you button them up.
 
What's the temperature on a thermometer in the wind? Surely it will not record wind chill. Unless its got something else evaporating off it. Like a swamp cooler.

And oil will freeze at some temperature/pressure. Gas does too likely before the oil. So you ain't going any where any how.
 
Here's a simple way how you can test that, it might cost you a vacumcleaner though.
Go outside with your vacuum cleaner when it's cold. Hold a termometer at the end of the vacuum cleaner pipe. Run the vacum cleaner at max power. Compare the termometer used on the vacuum cleaner pipe with one that is not affected by the vacuum cleaner.
 
daman
"I disagree....so your saying that if my truck's anti-freeze is good for -5 f and it's sitting out side facing into the (wind)wind-chill of -30 f it's not going to freeze??

it will...happened two years ago with a beater car i had,if somethings subjected to "that wind".. it will get that cold etc."
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Did you ever think you could of damaged the radiator before that night and it finally went south?, how far did you drive that morning going to work before this happened?
 
Exciterfan said:
There is also no antifreeze tester in the world with a "windchill" factor built in. This Myth is BUSTED!
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True That, and is why video games should have science test questions
built in before game starts.
 
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