I got beat bad by some Polaris's yesterday and was wondering what is the exact procedure in installing tripple pipes on an 04 Viper S? I would like to know everything needed to do the job. Carb specs, clutch specs, head mods. If I have to I will send the clutch to a pro. I need to make this sled do over 100mph in the 1/4 mile and still be reliable and good on the trail, Yesterday on GPS it went 95.6mph all stock. I am by no meens an expert on sleds, But I have been an auto mechanic for 20 years and should be able to do most of the work myself. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks...Jeff.
Bearit
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Just do a search for pipes in the viper section and be prepared to read for about 3 days.
Steve
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redsnake3
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well sense you said for trail riding you are gonna need the head mod and a opticool head gasket, rear heat exchanger and clutching. jetting and clutching is gonna be dependant on you conditions, mods and altitude.
do a search and read alot of posts.
do a search and read alot of posts.
I see you have a lot of mods on your Viper. How reliable is it? and how fast is it? The sled already has a rear heat exchanger. So I will need a head mod, and opticool gasket, probably jet up 3 sizes to start? Right now the clutch works perfect. At least I think it does, the power is always there at any RPM, never a bog. Off the line the skis come up about 3 inches and stay there till about 40 mph. The sled works really good, I just need more power. If I do the reccomended clutch mods will the power always be there or will there be backshift problems. Right now I can't feel an up shift or back shift. I need an all around good package that won't need constant adjustment.
mopar1rules
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I would recommend the snake bite kit from Hauck powersports. One of my friends got that kit at the beginning of this year and so far he has had no problems. I drove it and its insane. The power is phenomenal. Best $1200 you'll ever spend. If you bought just the pipes you would have to clutch it to get the most out of the pipes. I think you will have to send your head to hauck for them to perform a mod to them. On 02's and 03 vipers, the stock head is fine, but I know for sure that Bender does a head mod on the 04's so the DCS light doesn't come on. The Bender kit is another good one to look into. I would go with either the bender kit or hauck kit.
Viper Treats
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mopar1rules said:
This is good advice. I put over 10,000 miles on a piped viper with a Hauk set-up. It may run a little rich some days, but the sled was fast. Sold it to a buddy still runs great. When I bought mine in 02 the kit was $1300, but I also paid another $100 do to my head, you need the head mod and rear exchanger.
Thank guy's, I'll look into that.
redsnake3
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for main jets i went from the stock (153.8??) to 165
SLP makes the best pipes for a viper
and send the head to hauck later.
people on here can help you put a clutch kit together for very cheap. you would save alot of money.
might even save more if you can find the pipes on here used
and send the head to hauck later.
people on here can help you put a clutch kit together for very cheap. you would save alot of money.
might even save more if you can find the pipes on here used
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redsnake3
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i got my pipes, my cpr modded head, heavy hitters, all on here for a steal(in my eyes), that was the main reason i bought the VIP, that and the excellent info and help. i figured i saved so much money that i had to give back what i could.
bluemonster1
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Why go thru all that work and hassle,just buy a 4 stroke Apex.
ExpertXViper
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bluemonster1 said:
I'm with Blue on this one, kinda wish I did it but its too late now. If you want the power and mpg and wanna keep it 2 stroke sell the Viper and buy a 00-02 SRX and upgrade the suspension. You want to spend the extra dough and want a 4 stroker buy a APEX or a Phazer with a TURBO itll be close to the same price as a APEX.
I talked to hauck and they said they jet down and vent the carbs outside the air box, and dissconnect the DCS. Sounds risky to me.redsnake3 said:
An 06 APEX is selling for around 10,000 in this area. Too mutch for me right now.bluemonster1 said:
I really like my Viper, and don't really care for the looks of the SRX, (no offence). The Viper rides great, I just wish it had the same power or more than the SRX. A 4 stroke would be great, but too mutch money for me right now. I'm looking for a used set of pipes. Hauck wants 900.00 for the stinger kit plus 150.00 to mod the head. I will probably wait till spring and rebuild the top end at the same time unless a really good deal comes along.ExpertXViper said:
journeyman
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justaviper, what kind of Polaris's beat you?? Just curious. My 2002 runs strong for a stocker. I have never been beat by any XC style Polaris and I have run lots of them. Do the Poo's have alot of work done to them? I run the Heavy hitters in my clutch with the TPI's in the airbox w/ a 1.25" track which you should have stock.(ripsaw) I tried the pipes w/ aftermarket head for one season and really didn't care for them. (CPR's) It ran real strong on top, but had less bottom end in the trails. It reminded me of a pipey dirt bike. It drank gas like crazy too. It was very finicky to temperature changes . Mine popped two cylinders on a WOT run and I pulled the pipes. I wouldn't run them without EGT's. My mistake. The Viper is not an easy pipe job like the former SX-R 700 engine was. The timing curve etc. makes the Viper a more tempermental machine with pipes than some sleds. I have contemplated the SRX also, but at this point, I really want an APEX/ATTAK or whatever new model that may intrique me. Once you ride an APEX you will want nothing else. They are flat out awesome. Just my 2 cents...been there and done it.
I didn't pay close attention to what model of Polaris they were. I think an XCR800 and an XC700. On the GPS the 800 hit 109 not sure about the 700. The 800 got me by 5 or 6 lengths. The 700 by about 2 or 3. The 800 was stock exept for v-force reeds and some clutch mods. The 700 was stock exept for clutch mods and aftermarket can. (so they said). There was an Attak at a durby I was on a few weeks ago. Very nice machine, but he said he had to take it back for suspention work because at the stiffest setting it was way to soft and bottoming out. He also said it is very heavy but the power makes up for it. Just watching him ride, it looked very heavy and not a sled that you could throw around. Maybe I will look into a used Apex next year if the price comes down enough.
journeyman
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He must be a heavy person or riding the Attak like a snocrosser. I way 200lbs. stripped down and I couldn't bottom one last year. I really didn't notice the weight. They did a nice job of distributing it. The power curve is unreal on that thing. I ran my Viper against it and I got totally smoked. On the other hand alot of my buddies run RX-1's and my Viper runs right with the Warriors and just a hair behind the std. track models. They are all dialed in too. I raced a friends XCR800 triple a few years ago. We only ran between 800-1000' but I pulled him by 3 lengths. My old man pulled him by 5-6. His Viper is really strong. Not sure what would have happened on a long lake, but we ran the length of field we had at the time. I would say those guys have their sleds dialed in. Everyone is different. Have you done any clutching??
I havn't touched the sled, it's all stock. I was looking at the secondary clutch today and noticed the slides are not going all the way out on the helix, about 3/4. Maybe the spring is too stiff not letting the clutch shift out all the way. Or is this normal? If I change the spring will I have backshift problems?
journeyman
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What kind of Rpm's are you seeing. For all around the Viper works best to tach at 8500 and then creep up to say 8700 on long pulls. That's what mine does right now. I could never achieve that with the stock setup. I had a constant overrev even after adding bolts to the rivet holes in the clutch arms. The stock secondary spring is a red and is kind of soft. You might want to try a green at 50 or 60 deg. twist. I never found a multi-angle helix to work very good for me in this sled. I run the silver sec. spring at around 60 deg., stock helix (47) with the Heavy Hitter wts. I have run this setup for several yrs. with excellent results. The best thing is, I don't have to touch it anymore. Just keep the clutches clean. I have around 3700 miles on the sled with the original belt and the clutches still look great. Yamaha did a good job with the YXR clutches. They seem to wear very well.