**sj**
Life Member
this proposed law is threating to take away some of your rights...testing and ticketing you if you over a cetrain threshold stationary and moving..
it singles out snowmobiles only..
THEY HAVE ADDED VERBAGE WHICH OUTLAWS UNREASONABLE SPEEDS...and I know there already some laws in place...but it seems to attempt to make it more vague
my opinion is snowmobilers and the tourist dollars spent brings big revenues to this state which is in financial shambles...just what we need to do is hassle and ticket those who want to come here and spend money so they'll go somewhere else...
sure I know other states have this in place...and maybe they are driving their riders to us...we should covet them...
besides...first it's noise...then its looks or whatever..
the bill is in the outdoor recreation and tourism commitee for a hearing next week and the assistant to the comittee chair wants to hear your opinions to share with the comittee members
to view the bill :
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.asp?page=Bills
SB 530 (Allen) Recreation; outdoor activities; noise emission from snowmobiles;
provide standard.
to make your voice heard...email to:
dist103@house.mi.gov
it singles out snowmobiles only..
THEY HAVE ADDED VERBAGE WHICH OUTLAWS UNREASONABLE SPEEDS...and I know there already some laws in place...but it seems to attempt to make it more vague
my opinion is snowmobilers and the tourist dollars spent brings big revenues to this state which is in financial shambles...just what we need to do is hassle and ticket those who want to come here and spend money so they'll go somewhere else...
sure I know other states have this in place...and maybe they are driving their riders to us...we should covet them...
besides...first it's noise...then its looks or whatever..
the bill is in the outdoor recreation and tourism commitee for a hearing next week and the assistant to the comittee chair wants to hear your opinions to share with the comittee members
to view the bill :
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.asp?page=Bills
SB 530 (Allen) Recreation; outdoor activities; noise emission from snowmobiles;
provide standard.
to make your voice heard...email to:
dist103@house.mi.gov
yammiman
Member
Here is a thread from the four stroke side on this issue for more info!
http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=45080&highlight=
http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=45080&highlight=
Email sent.
**sj**
Life Member
the more emails the more effect..
keep our rights alive boys!
keep our rights alive boys!
I stuck this for you... We dont need our fun taken away!!
NYsledneck
New member
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN ENACT:
Sec. 82126. (1) A person shall not operate a snowmobile under
any of the following circumstances:
(a) At a rate of speed greater than is reasonable and proper
having due regard for conditions then existing.
So who is to determine what is unreasonable? This is ridiculous!
Sec. 82126. (1) A person shall not operate a snowmobile under
any of the following circumstances:
(a) At a rate of speed greater than is reasonable and proper
having due regard for conditions then existing.
So who is to determine what is unreasonable? This is ridiculous!
Wow, our state government is bankrupt and yet finds the time to single our sport out.
Email sent.
G.B.
Email sent.
G.B.
It's not a snowmobile Mr. officer...It's a Harley Davidson!!!
NYsledneck said:
You better hope the Officer got some last night (LOL!)
Email sent.
The post on the 4 stroke side information was about the LOUD pipes???
The post on the 4 stroke side information was about the LOUD pipes???
**sj**
Life Member
it is...they added more stuff like above
Read below.
There is no bill coming before the committee which restricts snowmobile speeds. The only snowmobile bill being brought up changes the method by which exhaust sound from snowmobiles is measured. Even then, it doesn't change the sound threshold in current law.
Sincerely,
Joel Sheltrown
State Representative
103rd House District
What is in the bill?
There is no bill coming before the committee which restricts snowmobile speeds. The only snowmobile bill being brought up changes the method by which exhaust sound from snowmobiles is measured. Even then, it doesn't change the sound threshold in current law.
Sincerely,
Joel Sheltrown
State Representative
103rd House District
What is in the bill?
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I was surprised to get a such a quick response from someone in Lansing on my email. I think all of our emails gave Joel something to do this morning. I included at the bottom the email I sent last night. I still think old Joel is blowing smoke, but I guess I need to read the bill in more detail.
G.B.
Dear Brett:
Thank you for your e-mail. Upon reading Senate Bill 530, it appears the legislation is updating the method by which snowmobile exhaust noise is tested to replace the existing outdated method. The bill does not create new restrictions on snowmobile exhaust noise. I understand the opposition to the law that limits snowmobile exhaust noise, but this bill does not address that issue, it only changes the testing standards/method. The bill has nothing to do with motorcycle exhaust. That is a separate issue and is addressed by a separate section of law. Unless evidence can be provided that the new standards included in the bill are less effective than the previous standards, I will be supporting the bill. While I agree with the arguments you make in your e-mail, they don't reflect the content of SB 530.
Sincerely,
Joel Sheltrown
State Representative
103rd House District
>>> "Brett Henry" <bhenry@asysttech.com> 10/24/2007 7:24 PM >>>
To Whom It May Concern:
I read with great disappointment about the passing of Bill SB 530 noise restrictions for snowmobiles. I do not understand the reasoning to write and pass a bill that affects so little of the states population and one that may have an adverse effect on the states tourism up North.
Snowmobiling is at best a 6 week activity here in Michigan. Any noise issues associated with loud snowmobile exhaust would affect a hand full of residents at any one given time. Compare this to load motorcycle exhaust (i.e.: Harley Davidson) that residents have to listen to for 8 months out of the year. Given the miles of roads as compared to snowmobile trails in this state, which motorized vehicle affects the largest number of Michigan residents?
As far as tourism goes, the Michigan winters of late have reduced the number of snowmobile headed up north during the winter. There are many towns up north that count on tourism from snowmobiles to make it through the winter. Question? Has there been a study done that looks at the possible number of out of state snowmobiles that may chose not to come to Michigan this winter to snowmobile because of this noise law?
Regards,
Brett Henry
G.B.
Dear Brett:
Thank you for your e-mail. Upon reading Senate Bill 530, it appears the legislation is updating the method by which snowmobile exhaust noise is tested to replace the existing outdated method. The bill does not create new restrictions on snowmobile exhaust noise. I understand the opposition to the law that limits snowmobile exhaust noise, but this bill does not address that issue, it only changes the testing standards/method. The bill has nothing to do with motorcycle exhaust. That is a separate issue and is addressed by a separate section of law. Unless evidence can be provided that the new standards included in the bill are less effective than the previous standards, I will be supporting the bill. While I agree with the arguments you make in your e-mail, they don't reflect the content of SB 530.
Sincerely,
Joel Sheltrown
State Representative
103rd House District
>>> "Brett Henry" <bhenry@asysttech.com> 10/24/2007 7:24 PM >>>
To Whom It May Concern:
I read with great disappointment about the passing of Bill SB 530 noise restrictions for snowmobiles. I do not understand the reasoning to write and pass a bill that affects so little of the states population and one that may have an adverse effect on the states tourism up North.
Snowmobiling is at best a 6 week activity here in Michigan. Any noise issues associated with loud snowmobile exhaust would affect a hand full of residents at any one given time. Compare this to load motorcycle exhaust (i.e.: Harley Davidson) that residents have to listen to for 8 months out of the year. Given the miles of roads as compared to snowmobile trails in this state, which motorized vehicle affects the largest number of Michigan residents?
As far as tourism goes, the Michigan winters of late have reduced the number of snowmobile headed up north during the winter. There are many towns up north that count on tourism from snowmobiles to make it through the winter. Question? Has there been a study done that looks at the possible number of out of state snowmobiles that may chose not to come to Michigan this winter to snowmobile because of this noise law?
Regards,
Brett Henry
Here is the bill, read all 7 pages.
The bill in its current form (as passed the Senate) is attached to this e-mail. The crossed out portion is what is being eliminated. The portion in bold is what is being added. The remainder is the existing law that is unchanged by the bill. The bill updates the standards by which noise emissions are being tested. The bill does not create noise limits. Those limits already exist in law and that larger issue is not up for consideration.
-Joel
Unfortunaly the bold parts did not come through. I think you still get the information and idea.
SB-0530, As Passed Senate, June 27, 2007
SUBSTITUTE FOR
SENATE BILL NO. 530
A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled
"Natural resources and environmental protection act,"
by amending section 82126 (MCL 324.82126), as amended by 2003 PA 2.
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN ENACT:
Sec. 82126. (1) A person shall 1 not operate a snowmobile under
2 any of the following circumstances:
3 (a) At a rate of speed greater than is reasonable and proper
4 having due regard for conditions then existing.
5 (b) In a forest nursery, planting area, or on public lands
6 posted or reasonably identifiable as an area of forest reproduction
7 when growing stock may be damaged or posted or reasonably
8 identifiable as a natural dedicated area that is in zone 2 or zone
9 3.
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(c) On the frozen surface of 1 public waters as follows:
2 (i) Within 100 feet of a person, including a skater, who is not
3 in or upon a snowmobile.
4 (ii) Within 100 feet of a fishing shanty or shelter except at
5 the minimum speed required to maintain forward movement of the
6 snowmobile.
7 (iii) On an area that has been cleared of snow for skating
8 purposes unless the area is necessary for access to the public
9 water.
(FROM 10-21 WILL BE OMITTED)
10 (d) Without a muffler in good working order and in constant
11 operation from which noise emission at 50 feet at right angles from
12 the vehicle path under full throttle does not exceed 86 DBA,
13 decibels on the "a" scale, on a sound meter having characteristics
14 defined by American standards association S1, 4-1966 "general
15 purpose sound meter". However, noise emission from a snowmobile
16 manufactured after July 1, 1977, and sold or offered for sale in
17 this state shall not exceed 78 decibels of sound pressure at 50
18 feet as measured under the 1974 society of automobile engineers
19 code J-192a. This subdivision does not apply to a snowmobile that
20 is being used in an organized race on a course which is used solely
21 for racing.
22 (D) (e) Within 100 feet of a dwelling between 12 midnight and
23 6 a.m., at a speed greater than the minimum required to maintain
24 forward movement of the snowmobile.
25 (E) (f) In an area on which public hunting is permitted during
26 the regular November firearm deer season from 7 a.m. to 11 a.m. and
27 from 2 p.m. to 5 p.m., except under 1 or more of the following
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1 circumstances:
2 (i) During an emergency.
3 (ii) For law enforcement purposes.
4 (iii) To go to and from a permanent residence or a hunting camp
5 otherwise inaccessible by a conventional wheeled vehicle.
6 (iv) For the conduct of necessary work functions involving land
7 and timber survey, communication and transmission line patrol, and
8 timber harvest operations.
9 (v) On the person's own property or property under the
10 person's control or as an invited guest.
11 (F) (g) While transporting on the snowmobile a bow, unless
12 unstrung or encased, or a firearm, unless unloaded in both barrel
13 and magazine and securely encased.
14 (G) (h) On or across a cemetery or burial ground.
15 (H) (i) Within 100 feet of a slide, ski, or skating area
16 except when traveling on a county road right-of-way pursuant to
17 section 82119 or a snowmobile trail that is designated and funded
18 by the department. A snowmobile may enter such an area for the
19 purpose of servicing the area or for medical emergencies.
20 (I) (j) On a railroad or railroad right-of-way. This
21 prohibition does not apply to railroad personnel, public utility
22 personnel, law enforcement personnel while in the performance of
23 their duties, and persons using a snowmobile trail located on or
24 along a railroad right-of-way, or an at-grade snowmobile trail
25 crossing of a railroad right-of-way, that has been expressly
26 approved in writing by the owner of the right-of-way and each
27 railroad company using the tracks and that meets the conditions
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imposed in subsections (2) (3 1 ) and (3) (4). A snowmobile trail or
2 an at-grade snowmobile trail crossing shall not be constructed on a
3 right-of-way designated by the federal government as a high-speed
4 rail corridor.
(ADDING FROM 5 - 17 ENDING IN RIGHT-OF-WAY)
5 (2) EXCEPT IN AN ORGANIZED RACE ON A COURSE THAT IS USED
6 SOLELY FOR RACING, A PERSON SHALL NOT OPERATE A SNOWMOBILE UNLESS
7 THE SNOWMOBILE IS EQUIPPED WITH A MUFFLER IN GOOD WORKING ORDER AND
8 IN CONSTANT OPERATION FROM WHICH NOISE EMISSION DOES NOT EXCEED
9 EITHER OF THE FOLLOWING:
10 (A) FOR A SNOWMOBILE MANUFACTURED AFTER JULY 1, 1977 AND SOLD
11 OR OFFERED FOR SALE IN THIS STATE, 78 DECIBELS AT 50 FEET, AS
12 MEASURED USING THE 2003 SOCIETY OF AUTOMOTIVE ENGINEERS STANDARD
13 J192.
14 (B) FOR A STATIONARY VEHICLE, 88 DECIBELS, AS MEASURED USING
15 THE 2004 SOCIETY OF AUTOMOTIVE ENGINEERS STANDARD J2567.
16 (3) (2) A snowmobile trail LOCATED ON OR ALONG A RAILROAD
17 RIGHT-OF-WAY shall be constructed, operated, and maintained by a
18 person other than the person owning the railroad right-of-way and
19 the person operating the railroad, except that an at-grade
20 snowmobile trail crossing of a railroad right-of-way shall be
21 constructed and maintained by the person operating the railroad at
22 the sole cost and expense of the person operating the trail
23 connected by the crossing, pursuant to terms of a lease agreement
24 under which the person operating the trail agrees to do all of the
25 following:
26 (a) Indemnify the person owning the railroad right-of-way and
27 the person operating the railroad against any claims associated
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with, arising from, or incidental to the construction, 1 maintenance,
2 operation, and use of the trail or at-grade snowmobile trail
3 crossing.
4 (b) Provide liability insurance in the amount of $2,000,000.00
5 naming the person owning the railroad right-of-way and the person
6 operating the railroad as named insureds.
7 (c) Meet any other obligations or provisions considered
8 appropriate by the person owning the railroad right-of-way or the
9 person operating the railroad including, but not limited to, the
10 payment of rent that the person owning the railroad right-of-way or
11 the person operating the railroad is authorized to charge under
12 this part and the meeting of all construction, operating, and
13 maintenance conditions imposed by the person owning the railroad
14 right-of-way and the person operating the railroad regarding the
15 snowmobile trail.
16 (4) (3) A snowmobile trail shall be clearly demarcated by
17 signing constructed and maintained at the sole cost and expense of
18 the grant program sponsor. The signing shall be placed at the outer
19 edge of the railroad right-of-way, as far from the edge of the
20 railroad tracks as possible, but AND not closer than 20 feet from
21 the edge of the railroad tracks unless topography or other natural
22 or manmade features require the trail to lie within 20 feet of the
23 edge of the railroad tracks. The at-grade snowmobile trail crossing
24 of a railroad right-of-way shall be aligned at 90 degrees or as
25 close to 90 degrees as possible to the railroad track being
26 crossed, and shall be located where approach grades to the crossing
27 are minimal and where the vision of a person operating a snowmobile
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will be unobstructed as 1 he or she approaches the railroad tracks.
2 The design of the snowmobile trail, including the location of
3 signing, shall be included upon plan sheets by the person
4 constructing, operating, and maintaining the trail, and shall be
5 approved in writing by the person owning the right-of-way and the
6 person operating the railroad. Signing shall conform to
7 specifications issued by the department to its snowmobile trail
8 grant program sponsors.
9 (5) (4) Notwithstanding section 82101, as used in this
10 section, "operate" means to cause to function, run, or manage.
11 (6) (5) A person shall not alter, deface, damage, or remove a
12 snowmobile trail sign or control device.
13 (7) (6) Each person who participates in the sport of
14 snowmobiling accepts the risks associated with that sport insofar
15 as the dangers are obvious and inherent. Those risks include, but
16 are not limited to, injuries to persons or property that can result
17 from variations in terrain; surface or subsurface snow or ice
18 conditions; bare spots; rocks, trees, and other forms of natural
19 growth or debris; or collisions with signs, fences, or other
20 snowmobiles or snow-grooming equipment. Those risks do not include
21 injuries to persons or property that can result from the use of a
22 snowmobile by another person in a careless or negligent manner
23 likely to endanger person or property. When a snowmobile is
24 operated in the vicinity of a railroad right-of-way, each person
25 who participates in the sport of snowmobiling additionally assumes
26 risks including, but not limited to, entanglement with tracks,
27 switches, and ties and collisions with trains and other equipment
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The bill in its current form (as passed the Senate) is attached to this e-mail. The crossed out portion is what is being eliminated. The portion in bold is what is being added. The remainder is the existing law that is unchanged by the bill. The bill updates the standards by which noise emissions are being tested. The bill does not create noise limits. Those limits already exist in law and that larger issue is not up for consideration.
-Joel
Unfortunaly the bold parts did not come through. I think you still get the information and idea.
SB-0530, As Passed Senate, June 27, 2007
SUBSTITUTE FOR
SENATE BILL NO. 530
A bill to amend 1994 PA 451, entitled
"Natural resources and environmental protection act,"
by amending section 82126 (MCL 324.82126), as amended by 2003 PA 2.
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN ENACT:
Sec. 82126. (1) A person shall 1 not operate a snowmobile under
2 any of the following circumstances:
3 (a) At a rate of speed greater than is reasonable and proper
4 having due regard for conditions then existing.
5 (b) In a forest nursery, planting area, or on public lands
6 posted or reasonably identifiable as an area of forest reproduction
7 when growing stock may be damaged or posted or reasonably
8 identifiable as a natural dedicated area that is in zone 2 or zone
9 3.
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(c) On the frozen surface of 1 public waters as follows:
2 (i) Within 100 feet of a person, including a skater, who is not
3 in or upon a snowmobile.
4 (ii) Within 100 feet of a fishing shanty or shelter except at
5 the minimum speed required to maintain forward movement of the
6 snowmobile.
7 (iii) On an area that has been cleared of snow for skating
8 purposes unless the area is necessary for access to the public
9 water.
(FROM 10-21 WILL BE OMITTED)
10 (d) Without a muffler in good working order and in constant
11 operation from which noise emission at 50 feet at right angles from
12 the vehicle path under full throttle does not exceed 86 DBA,
13 decibels on the "a" scale, on a sound meter having characteristics
14 defined by American standards association S1, 4-1966 "general
15 purpose sound meter". However, noise emission from a snowmobile
16 manufactured after July 1, 1977, and sold or offered for sale in
17 this state shall not exceed 78 decibels of sound pressure at 50
18 feet as measured under the 1974 society of automobile engineers
19 code J-192a. This subdivision does not apply to a snowmobile that
20 is being used in an organized race on a course which is used solely
21 for racing.
22 (D) (e) Within 100 feet of a dwelling between 12 midnight and
23 6 a.m., at a speed greater than the minimum required to maintain
24 forward movement of the snowmobile.
25 (E) (f) In an area on which public hunting is permitted during
26 the regular November firearm deer season from 7 a.m. to 11 a.m. and
27 from 2 p.m. to 5 p.m., except under 1 or more of the following
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1 circumstances:
2 (i) During an emergency.
3 (ii) For law enforcement purposes.
4 (iii) To go to and from a permanent residence or a hunting camp
5 otherwise inaccessible by a conventional wheeled vehicle.
6 (iv) For the conduct of necessary work functions involving land
7 and timber survey, communication and transmission line patrol, and
8 timber harvest operations.
9 (v) On the person's own property or property under the
10 person's control or as an invited guest.
11 (F) (g) While transporting on the snowmobile a bow, unless
12 unstrung or encased, or a firearm, unless unloaded in both barrel
13 and magazine and securely encased.
14 (G) (h) On or across a cemetery or burial ground.
15 (H) (i) Within 100 feet of a slide, ski, or skating area
16 except when traveling on a county road right-of-way pursuant to
17 section 82119 or a snowmobile trail that is designated and funded
18 by the department. A snowmobile may enter such an area for the
19 purpose of servicing the area or for medical emergencies.
20 (I) (j) On a railroad or railroad right-of-way. This
21 prohibition does not apply to railroad personnel, public utility
22 personnel, law enforcement personnel while in the performance of
23 their duties, and persons using a snowmobile trail located on or
24 along a railroad right-of-way, or an at-grade snowmobile trail
25 crossing of a railroad right-of-way, that has been expressly
26 approved in writing by the owner of the right-of-way and each
27 railroad company using the tracks and that meets the conditions
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imposed in subsections (2) (3 1 ) and (3) (4). A snowmobile trail or
2 an at-grade snowmobile trail crossing shall not be constructed on a
3 right-of-way designated by the federal government as a high-speed
4 rail corridor.
(ADDING FROM 5 - 17 ENDING IN RIGHT-OF-WAY)
5 (2) EXCEPT IN AN ORGANIZED RACE ON A COURSE THAT IS USED
6 SOLELY FOR RACING, A PERSON SHALL NOT OPERATE A SNOWMOBILE UNLESS
7 THE SNOWMOBILE IS EQUIPPED WITH A MUFFLER IN GOOD WORKING ORDER AND
8 IN CONSTANT OPERATION FROM WHICH NOISE EMISSION DOES NOT EXCEED
9 EITHER OF THE FOLLOWING:
10 (A) FOR A SNOWMOBILE MANUFACTURED AFTER JULY 1, 1977 AND SOLD
11 OR OFFERED FOR SALE IN THIS STATE, 78 DECIBELS AT 50 FEET, AS
12 MEASURED USING THE 2003 SOCIETY OF AUTOMOTIVE ENGINEERS STANDARD
13 J192.
14 (B) FOR A STATIONARY VEHICLE, 88 DECIBELS, AS MEASURED USING
15 THE 2004 SOCIETY OF AUTOMOTIVE ENGINEERS STANDARD J2567.
16 (3) (2) A snowmobile trail LOCATED ON OR ALONG A RAILROAD
17 RIGHT-OF-WAY shall be constructed, operated, and maintained by a
18 person other than the person owning the railroad right-of-way and
19 the person operating the railroad, except that an at-grade
20 snowmobile trail crossing of a railroad right-of-way shall be
21 constructed and maintained by the person operating the railroad at
22 the sole cost and expense of the person operating the trail
23 connected by the crossing, pursuant to terms of a lease agreement
24 under which the person operating the trail agrees to do all of the
25 following:
26 (a) Indemnify the person owning the railroad right-of-way and
27 the person operating the railroad against any claims associated
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with, arising from, or incidental to the construction, 1 maintenance,
2 operation, and use of the trail or at-grade snowmobile trail
3 crossing.
4 (b) Provide liability insurance in the amount of $2,000,000.00
5 naming the person owning the railroad right-of-way and the person
6 operating the railroad as named insureds.
7 (c) Meet any other obligations or provisions considered
8 appropriate by the person owning the railroad right-of-way or the
9 person operating the railroad including, but not limited to, the
10 payment of rent that the person owning the railroad right-of-way or
11 the person operating the railroad is authorized to charge under
12 this part and the meeting of all construction, operating, and
13 maintenance conditions imposed by the person owning the railroad
14 right-of-way and the person operating the railroad regarding the
15 snowmobile trail.
16 (4) (3) A snowmobile trail shall be clearly demarcated by
17 signing constructed and maintained at the sole cost and expense of
18 the grant program sponsor. The signing shall be placed at the outer
19 edge of the railroad right-of-way, as far from the edge of the
20 railroad tracks as possible, but AND not closer than 20 feet from
21 the edge of the railroad tracks unless topography or other natural
22 or manmade features require the trail to lie within 20 feet of the
23 edge of the railroad tracks. The at-grade snowmobile trail crossing
24 of a railroad right-of-way shall be aligned at 90 degrees or as
25 close to 90 degrees as possible to the railroad track being
26 crossed, and shall be located where approach grades to the crossing
27 are minimal and where the vision of a person operating a snowmobile
6
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will be unobstructed as 1 he or she approaches the railroad tracks.
2 The design of the snowmobile trail, including the location of
3 signing, shall be included upon plan sheets by the person
4 constructing, operating, and maintaining the trail, and shall be
5 approved in writing by the person owning the right-of-way and the
6 person operating the railroad. Signing shall conform to
7 specifications issued by the department to its snowmobile trail
8 grant program sponsors.
9 (5) (4) Notwithstanding section 82101, as used in this
10 section, "operate" means to cause to function, run, or manage.
11 (6) (5) A person shall not alter, deface, damage, or remove a
12 snowmobile trail sign or control device.
13 (7) (6) Each person who participates in the sport of
14 snowmobiling accepts the risks associated with that sport insofar
15 as the dangers are obvious and inherent. Those risks include, but
16 are not limited to, injuries to persons or property that can result
17 from variations in terrain; surface or subsurface snow or ice
18 conditions; bare spots; rocks, trees, and other forms of natural
19 growth or debris; or collisions with signs, fences, or other
20 snowmobiles or snow-grooming equipment. Those risks do not include
21 injuries to persons or property that can result from the use of a
22 snowmobile by another person in a careless or negligent manner
23 likely to endanger person or property. When a snowmobile is
24 operated in the vicinity of a railroad right-of-way, each person
25 who participates in the sport of snowmobiling additionally assumes
26 risks including, but not limited to, entanglement with tracks,
27 switches, and ties and collisions with trains and other equipment
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Ron,
Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt the concern that the new measurement procedure will make it tougher to pass the noise standards with an aftermarket exhaust?
Thanks, Brett
Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt the concern that the new measurement procedure will make it tougher to pass the noise standards with an aftermarket exhaust?
Thanks, Brett
**sj**
Life Member
they know the existing testing method is vague...and doesnt allow them to put the screws to us...
their claim is that it redifines the testing methods...but read the existing law...not bad...and the proposed bill...this is for stricter enforcement of selds both modified AND UNMODIFIED...
want some good reading (this should be forwarded to sheltrown)
http://www.sae.org/technical/papers/2005-01-2414
he might also want to read this..
btw I will make sure my engagement occurs lower this year!
Field Testing
Most agencies, including our local Forest Service, state and local parks, and municipalities do not have the technical or financial resources to do their own testing of snowmobiles in either urban or wilderness situations. This is true nationwide. To remedy this, the Wisconsin department of resources in conjunction with the snowmobile industry and the SAE came up with a new "field-friendly" test, the SAE J2567*, designed expressly for snowmobiles. (see www.legis.state.wi.us/2005/data/acts/05Act210.pdf).
Under this test, according to hardcoresledder.com, the engine and exhaust noise level maximum for sleds manufactured after July 2, 1975 is 88 db at 4 meters as measured by SAE standard J2567. In the test the snowmobile is stationary and revved up to 4,000 engine rpm.
How comparable is the perceived noise across these three SAE tests? Is 88 db the right standard given ongoing noise improvements and very likely in the future? Is 88 db at 13 feet setting the bar way too low? I'd like to hear from you - you can send me a message.
*Jan. 2004 SAE J2567 stationary test overview: The sound meter microphone is placed 4 feet above the ground, inline with the exhaust outlet/center point of multiple exhaust outlets, on the side of the snowmobile toward which the exhaust is directed, 4 meters distance from the snowmobile longitudinal centerline. The operator holds the brake during the test, starts and runs the engine up to normal operating temperature, then slowly opens the throttle until a steady 3,750 to 4,000 rpm is achieved for not less than 4 seconds. The test is immediately repeated and the two readings averaged.
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their claim is that it redifines the testing methods...but read the existing law...not bad...and the proposed bill...this is for stricter enforcement of selds both modified AND UNMODIFIED...
want some good reading (this should be forwarded to sheltrown)
http://www.sae.org/technical/papers/2005-01-2414
he might also want to read this..
btw I will make sure my engagement occurs lower this year!
Field Testing
Most agencies, including our local Forest Service, state and local parks, and municipalities do not have the technical or financial resources to do their own testing of snowmobiles in either urban or wilderness situations. This is true nationwide. To remedy this, the Wisconsin department of resources in conjunction with the snowmobile industry and the SAE came up with a new "field-friendly" test, the SAE J2567*, designed expressly for snowmobiles. (see www.legis.state.wi.us/2005/data/acts/05Act210.pdf).
Under this test, according to hardcoresledder.com, the engine and exhaust noise level maximum for sleds manufactured after July 2, 1975 is 88 db at 4 meters as measured by SAE standard J2567. In the test the snowmobile is stationary and revved up to 4,000 engine rpm.
How comparable is the perceived noise across these three SAE tests? Is 88 db the right standard given ongoing noise improvements and very likely in the future? Is 88 db at 13 feet setting the bar way too low? I'd like to hear from you - you can send me a message.
*Jan. 2004 SAE J2567 stationary test overview: The sound meter microphone is placed 4 feet above the ground, inline with the exhaust outlet/center point of multiple exhaust outlets, on the side of the snowmobile toward which the exhaust is directed, 4 meters distance from the snowmobile longitudinal centerline. The operator holds the brake during the test, starts and runs the engine up to normal operating temperature, then slowly opens the throttle until a steady 3,750 to 4,000 rpm is achieved for not less than 4 seconds. The test is immediately repeated and the two readings averaged.
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I printed off the bill and with the new above information from sj regarding the sae j2567 it looks like the standards are being revised to new standards set by the 2003 engineers. We have newer sled with newer mufflers why compare them to the 1977 standards.
Has anyone with a stock sled been tested and were the results?
sj send him the information you talked about and see what he responds.
Has anyone with a stock sled been tested and were the results?
sj send him the information you talked about and see what he responds.
changing the standards of testing? I have never seen any type of testing performed anywhere in MI for exhaust noise. The DNR has certain checkpoints where they stop you and check for trail permits and registration, and occasionally they will target drunk drivers but I dont know of anyone that has received a ticket in the state of Michigan for a loud exhaust.
Gone Blue said:
He must be doing a cut & paste, I got the same exact response.
I did ask him that since they are not outlawing aftermarket pipes/silencers, just excessively loud sleds will there be testing locations setup to get our sleds checked without risk of being ticketed or will we have to just take our chances.
His response was that he did not know/that was a good question and he would find out and let me know.
If/when I get a response I will post it here.
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BBlueSRX said:
Ive never been stop on sled, once on a dirt bike when I was 13, but nothing since then. If this ends up becoming a law and I find out its being enforced, I wish the DNR luck catching me. Seems ignorant on my part but theyd be causing me to do so cause this is ridicuous IMO, you cant single out 1 powersport and not enforce them to the rest. But even still I find it ridicuous, maybe cause Im not a tree hugger. This COUNTRY/State prioritys are so out of wack it honeslty makes me sick and with more and more crap coming about its going to start making people rebel EVEN more than we already do.
FREEDOM IS FAR FROM FREE!!!!!!!
Just my .02