Very interesting thread on 2s oils from HCS

lilsnopro said:
I have been running Legend's ZX2 oil for 9 years (ZX2-SR for the last 3 years). I run it in my mod srx drag sleds, my trail sleds, my YZ 250, outboards, chain saws, leaf blowers, and concrete saws. Never once had a problem. Clean burn, and no scraping the power valves on my 01 srx either. Don't knock it, till you try it.
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I looked at their website and noticed they are in Michigan. Are you buying it at a local dealer? I doubt I would find it around here and would have to order online. Looking at the datasheet and reviewing all the prices I still see Yamalube (which I am currently running) is still a good buy for your dollar at around $28/gallon.
 

Legend oil is hard to find even near them here in northern Michigan.I'm with you I bought a case of Yamalube at one of the snow shows for 80 bucks, thats hard to beat imho.
 
Funnest thing i ever saw and read,a microscope huh?ALL BS and them guy's are eating it up LOL!!

bump i added my 2 cents until it gets deleted..
 
Your post is a good read. The Admin did create a thread just for doubters. Home they don't delete it and just move it there.
 
According to a professor friend of mine at a local University, you can in fact see many types molecules when viewed through a high powered microscope. Even one you might have at home if you were a scientist. While my friend could not speak to the ability to view and differentiate oil molecules, he believed it was possible.

I'm still in the camp saying the Chemist is acting with good intentions. Is he 100% accurate? Who knows. But I believe he is/was trying to be helpful, not just an internet troll.

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People with a little bit of knowledge can do allot of harm,example (just one lol): This Chemist guy lists his equipment ok great, including two methods of measuring viscosity - and what does he report?????????




Pour point ...... LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he's so full of %$#@& his eye balls are floating...
 
With all due respect Daman, I don't think you have sufficient info to substantiate saying that. You have a hunch, yes. And while you may be right, it's also possible you're wrong. I am not getting that vibe from the Chemist, that hes making This all up. The only way any one will ever know is by going to his house and watching his testing on the oils...
 
Super Sled said:
According to a professor friend of mine at a local University, you can in fact see many types molecules when viewed through a high powered microscope. Even one you might have at home if you were a scientist. While my friend could not speak to the ability to view and differentiate oil molecules, he believed it was possible.

I'm still in the camp saying the Chemist is acting with good intentions. Is he 100% accurate? Who knows. But I believe he is/was trying to be helpful, not just an internet troll.

:rockon:
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I agree!
 
daman said:
People with a little bit of knowledge can do allot of harm,example (just one lol): This Chemist guy lists his equipment ok great, including two methods of measuring viscosity - and what does he report?????????




Pour point ...... LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he's so full of %$#@& his eye balls are floating...
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Exactly what i was thinking glad im not alone lol
 
Well here is a post from an intelligent poster and it shows that the thread was a croc.

" It is suprising that so many are starving for information on oil testing. The information has always been right in front of your faces. Standards exists for 2 cycle oils. Namely ISO and Jaso. Both of these orginizations put oils under severe test loads and are rated according to their performance. Everything else is just marketing or hear say.
Now be warned a lot of oils market themselves as "recommended" for motors requiring Jaso Fc or ISO egld but are never actually tested. Well jaso is nice.enough to publish every certified oil. For example Mystik sea and snow, which performed.poorly in chemists testing is awarded the highest JASO rating of.FD. Meanwhile amsoil, or legend or redline does not show up on the jaso certified.list what so ever. This doesn't. mean they are bad products just that they decided not.to pay for the testing procedure and save the money for marketing.
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Like I always said the rating is on the bottle, or just go to the JASO website. We have a oil that passed the highest test to date (mystic sea and snow) but failed the chemists test. Now who you gonna believe????? Also the chemist has a Tcw3 oil outperforming some proven synthetics doesnt make sense
 
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allways some one that wants to critsize other peoples work im not a scientsit but i do know some of the amsoil is not what its made out to be allso know a member on this site that used amsoil in his sled and was stored in a building that did a lot of humididty inside , it was found that the oil base on the crank bearings run off not leaving enough oil in the bearings causing them to rust so that means a tear down and bearing job. so that leads me to never use amsoil again. pics had been posted on that. klotz is the oil u will not go wrong using. and others on this site will back that and ive had engines apart using klotz the oil stays suspended after long periods of sitting
 
daman said:
People with a little bit of knowledge can do allot of harm,example (just one lol): This Chemist guy lists his equipment ok great, including two methods of measuring viscosity - and what does he report?????????




Pour point ...... LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he's so full of %$#@& his eye balls are floating...
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Are you going to understand a bunch of jibberish about viscosity ratings and all that garbage? Not calling you dumb by any means and maybe you do understand viscosity, but I'm sure without putting his research in layman's terms, 95% of HCS wouldn't pay any attention because they cant even pronounce half of the ingredients in Cheerios. It makes perfect sense to me for him to post the pour point... An oil could have a viscosity rating of 6 and pour well at -40 degrees.. another oil could have a viscosity rating of 22 and only pour well at -9 degrees. Most would probably think 22 is better. 6 and 22 don't mean $hit to me, the temperature an oil will still flow at before it gels up does.

Now, with that being said, I also remain skeptical of this "research" as there is the obvious lack of evidence that it is being performed. But on the other hand there is also a group of guys with experience with each one of these oils that can attest to the ones notorious for either causing problems or causing none at all. It all matches up with the chemists results. There are many different variables involved in how an oil works for one person compared to the next. No one rides exactly the same or does maintenance exactly the same, Just as no one brushes their hair exactly the same or writes exactly the same. An SRX set up for the lake might not be happy running citgo sea and snow, but my XL-V set up for the woods sure will be (I run Yamalube but, there are two different variables right there) That is where the argument really takes off. Lack of comparison. This "chemist" guy is removing the variables and giving consistent data based on the same testing process for everything. If an oil fails his tests or not is based purely on his standards, which we dont know what they are. The eddie guy pretty much kills most of the validity of the testing in my eyes. Simply because he dives off the deep end advertising the oil he sells, which happens to be the one oil the chemist finds to be magical. Coincidence? Maybe, but I will remain reserved.
 
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snopax said:
Group 3 synthetic is made from hydrocracking mineral oil that is unsuitable for use in conventional oil. In the USA it is labeled as synthetic. Although other countries label it as conventional.
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I did not know that about other countries labeling it as conventional. Learn something new every day.
 
extremelyfastmax4 said:
allways some one that wants to critsize other peoples work im not a scientsit but i do know some of the amsoil is not what its made out to be allso know a member on this site that used amsoil in his sled and was stored in a building that did a lot of humididty inside ,
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[COLOR=Yellow]it was found that the oil base on the crank bearings run off not leaving enough oil in the bearings  causing them to rust
[/COLOR] so that means a tear down and bearing job. so that leads me to never use amsoil again. pics had been posted on that. klotz is the oil u will not go wrong using. and others on this site will back that and ive had engines apart using klotz the oil stays suspended after long periods of sitting
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Thats why its so important you fog your engine. Synthetic is to slippery to rely on for long term storage.
 
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