the biggest problem, is that we are using their land, not state land etc. so yeah, I might not want loud sleds coming on MY land that I ALLOWED you to use. the landowner gets nothing from it. with the raceway, it is that persons land, most people moved there knowing it was already there, or at least had the chance to oppose it when they were going for permits. similar thought, but just a different circumstance with the sleds. my parents and I own a mobile home park and we love sleds, the trail comes right through, we groom the trail, sign it, etc. and I must say, on a weekend I bet we see 50-100 sleds come through. and I would also say that1/4 of them come through at about 20mph, blipping the throttle with race cans. litterally 20 feet from peoples houses. we are allowing the trail to go up the pavement for 1/4 mile or so, so yeah, it sucks that they are loud and disturbing the customers. if it comes down to it, we need to keep the customers happy, not the sledders. I hate to say it, but its just the way it is in some places. on the other hand, I can go 4 hours north to pittsburg NH and all the trails are way out in the woods a long way from anyone, so its a lot less of an issue. just my $.50. (wa a long post, more than $.02 worth!)