kixx007
Member
YamahaXtreme said:
You are killing me man!
I know he is going to come back with: "11) You're an idiot if you skid thru a stop sign and hit a snowbank"
BUT It is one thing to almost kill yourself, and another to almost kill yourself, your dad and others.
DanQ
New member
YamahaXtreme said:
There wouldn't be anything wrong with spinning your track thru the corners if there was an unlimited amount of snow and nobody else using the trails. All it takes is a group of 5 hot dogs to blow the snow off the corners of a freshly groomed trail and it is ruined for EVERY one else.
Don't blow the snow off the trails and there will be enough for everyone to enjoy the ride.
Are you serious about jumping snow banks in public areas? its dangerous to anyone that happens to come into the area.. yikes!
blueblooded
Member
You ride an arctic cat?
DanQ
New member
if this was directed to me, no. viper.blueblooded said:
I did see a orange F7 half way up a tree last weekend.
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srx_eh
Guest
DanQ said:
Snow rationing? ...my you guys have it bad!
blueblooded
Member
No that wasnt directed at you.What happened with the f7,missed a turn?
DanQ
New member
blueblooded said:
I think so. He must have gotten a little behind in his steerin'. Wasn't even that tricky or tight of a turn. Could have been run off by someone else but we didn't ask. They didn't need any help
Allvipedup
New member
The problem with idiots are.... they never know they're idiots. Didn't ya know...we're all sweet "extremely aggressive" riders...right? Just like all drivers think they're good drivers. Everyone hates something another person does, but they are never the culprit. Kinda like a bent pipe trying to straighten itself.....never gonna change. All the different forms of media...radio, tv, newspaper, internet (s) (for you Bush fans...lol) etc...and yet it seems that a huge percentage of us stay clueless, ignorant, naieve...whatever. Too much, "well I rode my buddies 800 last year...I loved it, now got my own, but that's alright I've riddn' motorcycles my whole life, now I think I can ride and understand the sport better then anyone attitude....period the end"
The bottom line is the only way to combat this "idiot" behavior, is to inform, educate and discuss these issues....How? Hmmmm? maybe a web site?
The bottom line is the only way to combat this "idiot" behavior, is to inform, educate and discuss these issues....How? Hmmmm? maybe a web site?
DanQ
New member
Allvipedup said:
Exactly. That is another reason I started this. Maybe it could get posted on other boards? Only problem is this only gets to the people that are on the forum.
ViperTom
New member
A riding buddy of mine rides his ZR800 like it has an on/off switch for a throttle. Every corner, WOT spinning his $400 1 1/4 track to pieces. In fact 2 tracks in 4000 miles worth of spinning. Some people just don't learn! Full throttle around a corner IN NOT always the quickest way to go. A spinning track is reducing your acceleration, tears up the trail, developes bigazz whoops in the corners, and tears up your track ( not that I care if you tear your stuff up). Get your track to hook up and go like hell and you can easily keep pace with these jackholes.
Tom
Tom
Junior
New member
ViperTom said:
ya that's a fundamental concept, throttle control, go till you're about to spin, or just start to break loose, then back it off a notch, spinning doesn't do anyone any good.
I'll admit that I"m an idiot, but I'm working on it, and take out most of it at a track or on my my own landallvipedup said:
but at the same time I realize that I have no right to complain when somebody overshoots a corner and is on my side of the trail and I have to take the ditch to avoid him, it sucks, but I've been the idiot to, I think alot of us where at one point, I just shake my head, make sure everything is ok with him and carry on.
violating no trespassing laws is just dumb tho, THAT is a big part of the reason trails get closed.
for the record, I really doubt anything is gonna get solved in this thread and it's likely to just become a flame war.
sandmanmike1
New member
Must remember to slow down while riding alongside on paved roads. A friend of mine went around a corner but sled went straight across the road and into a tree less then a 100 yards from his cabin. After 3 days in hospital on the way home he ask a friend why he was driving his truck. He had no memory of accident for a week. He talked with slurred speech for almost a year. He still rides but with alot more awareness of safe speeds. If you can't stay on your side of the trail you are going to fast.
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reddog mmax 700
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blue
what happened 2 the f7 it's not blue.lol.....reddog
what happened 2 the f7 it's not blue.lol.....reddog
greg
New member
Some people don't even realize that they were idiots until it is to late. We won't be making our annual trip to Quebec this year. The trails we rode were closed and the land owners were awarded a decent sum of money for the abuse they claim that they were subjected too. Hopefully, we in Ontario learn a lesson from this.
As stated by most, we have all been the idiot at some point in time. If each of us idiots stops doing at least one thing, then this thread was a success.
Lake runs are perfect for when you want to be an idiot (LOL), but remember to tell the A. Cat guys to do it during the summer.
As stated by most, we have all been the idiot at some point in time. If each of us idiots stops doing at least one thing, then this thread was a success.
Lake runs are perfect for when you want to be an idiot (LOL), but remember to tell the A. Cat guys to do it during the summer.
I read this on a forum in November and it touched me ... something we all need to read every year! We all know an accident can happen, but until it really happens a lot of people think there invincible.
Sometimes we forget our fragile mortality no matter what age we may be, ...good reality check!
No matter how much experience you think you have there will always be that Hidden sharp icy tight corner, stump/rock, fallen tree, Animal, ice heave/pressure ridge or other sledders that can put an end to your life real quick.
Let keep the trails safe this year and pray to the snow gods.
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Post from a sledding forum
Just Like You
Awhile ago I read this post on another site, and it hit me pretty hard. I thought it would be a good idea for it to be posted here, winter coming and riding approaching quickly. (I did not write this, it was copied from a different post [for the record])
-Just like you-
I am not a writer. In fact, this is the first time I've written anything since college. I am, however, a snowmobiler.
My friends and I are probably just like you. We are all in our late twenties to early thirties, and single white males. We have pretty good jobs; some own their house, others rent. We hunt and fish, watch football and NASCAR, go to bars and church festivals. We have problems with women, like fast cars and Schwartzeneggar movies. We could probably switch places with any of you and fit right into your group.
We have owned sleds from all manufacturers over the years. Our first sleds were junkpiles and we still make fun of them. We work on our own sleds and help each other with theirs. We watch the weather forecasts waiting for snow and read all the snowmobiling magazines drooling over the new sleds. We put 600 miles on the truck to put 200 on the sled. We have all entered corners too fast, and all missed turns at night at one time or another. We laughed at slow riders that putted along at 15 mph. We rode with the feeling of invincibility that only youth can bring.
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Our youth ended February 14, 2003.
In a small town about 10 miles South of Crandon, at 11:00 PM my friend Jim Smolen lost his life. He was only 28. He died within a half mile of the cabin, within half an hour of unloading the sleds off of the trailer. The reconstruction showed that he hit a stump under the snow, was thrown off, and hit a tree. At least he didn't suffer. Excessive speed was believed to have been involved, even though the sled wasn't wrecked. It looked like he just stepped off of it. He did have ONE or TWO beers, but I must say that I have seen people drink much more - I'm not condoning it, but I know you have too. Jim was riding as long as I can remember, 5+ years at least, riding the same sled he had for three years. We have all seen the articles in the papers that give little detail; letting us assume it was an inexperienced rider, totally drunk, on a brand new, huge displacement sled.
What the newspaper articles do not show is how it affects everyone else. They don't show the undescribable horror of seeing a close friend lying in the snow bleeding from the eyes, ears, nose and mouth. They don't show the blank stare in his unblinking eyes as you try to remember the CPR you learned in high school. They don't show the panic felt during the longest half mile you will ever ride back to the cabin to call 911. They don't show the feeling of helplessness as you spend the longest HALF HOUR of your life waiting for an ambulance. They don't tell about men who haven't prayed in years dropping to their knees and saying a prayer. They don't show the feeling of uneasiness as you drive HIS truck to the hospital. They don't show the cold you feel as you wait until 4:30AM when the doctors give you the news you already knew but still can't bring yourself to hear. They don't tell the flood of emotions you feel as you have to call your friend's parents in the middle of the night to tell them that their son has died. They don't mention that none of his friends will get any sleep for days. They don't mention the nightmares when they do. They don't tell about the DNR showing up at 8:00AM the next day to fill out paperwork and make them relive it all again. They don't tell about grown men breaking down and crying. They don't tell about the longest, quietest drive home ever.
His roommate is the one who found him, called his parents, and drove his truck home. He has closed the kitchen window blinds so he doesn't have to see his truck. He had to close the kitchen cabinet to keep from seeing his box of corn flakes. He is now afraid of the dark. Our season is over.
The human body is so frail, so easily damaged. If you have an accident in a big city, help is only about five minutes away. If you have an accident in the north woods help could be forty miles away or more. Think about it: that's like having an accident in Milwaukee and having to wait for an ambulance from Illinois. And then having to go to a hospital back in Illinois.
I am not asking for speed limits, or other restrictions. Just please, PLEASE be careful. Slow down just a little. Skip that beer and have a soda instead. Ask yourself if it is worth the consequences to go flying through the woods. Your friends WILL wait for you. Death is forever. Think of all the good times you would miss. Take a little time and look at the beauty of nature. There are those that no longer can.
We laid Jim to rest today. If only one person is affected by this pointless loss, and a single life is saved, Jim's death would have meaning and all of us could have some closure.
I know you think that this only happens to "the other guy". So did we. Just like you.
srx70024 11-30-2004 09:39 PM
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That puts things in a different perspective, huh ?
srx_eh 11-30-2004 09:50 PM
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Part 2 on next post----------
Sometimes we forget our fragile mortality no matter what age we may be, ...good reality check!
No matter how much experience you think you have there will always be that Hidden sharp icy tight corner, stump/rock, fallen tree, Animal, ice heave/pressure ridge or other sledders that can put an end to your life real quick.
Let keep the trails safe this year and pray to the snow gods.
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Post from a sledding forum
Just Like You
Awhile ago I read this post on another site, and it hit me pretty hard. I thought it would be a good idea for it to be posted here, winter coming and riding approaching quickly. (I did not write this, it was copied from a different post [for the record])
-Just like you-
I am not a writer. In fact, this is the first time I've written anything since college. I am, however, a snowmobiler.
My friends and I are probably just like you. We are all in our late twenties to early thirties, and single white males. We have pretty good jobs; some own their house, others rent. We hunt and fish, watch football and NASCAR, go to bars and church festivals. We have problems with women, like fast cars and Schwartzeneggar movies. We could probably switch places with any of you and fit right into your group.
We have owned sleds from all manufacturers over the years. Our first sleds were junkpiles and we still make fun of them. We work on our own sleds and help each other with theirs. We watch the weather forecasts waiting for snow and read all the snowmobiling magazines drooling over the new sleds. We put 600 miles on the truck to put 200 on the sled. We have all entered corners too fast, and all missed turns at night at one time or another. We laughed at slow riders that putted along at 15 mph. We rode with the feeling of invincibility that only youth can bring.
------------Original article------------------
Our youth ended February 14, 2003.
In a small town about 10 miles South of Crandon, at 11:00 PM my friend Jim Smolen lost his life. He was only 28. He died within a half mile of the cabin, within half an hour of unloading the sleds off of the trailer. The reconstruction showed that he hit a stump under the snow, was thrown off, and hit a tree. At least he didn't suffer. Excessive speed was believed to have been involved, even though the sled wasn't wrecked. It looked like he just stepped off of it. He did have ONE or TWO beers, but I must say that I have seen people drink much more - I'm not condoning it, but I know you have too. Jim was riding as long as I can remember, 5+ years at least, riding the same sled he had for three years. We have all seen the articles in the papers that give little detail; letting us assume it was an inexperienced rider, totally drunk, on a brand new, huge displacement sled.
What the newspaper articles do not show is how it affects everyone else. They don't show the undescribable horror of seeing a close friend lying in the snow bleeding from the eyes, ears, nose and mouth. They don't show the blank stare in his unblinking eyes as you try to remember the CPR you learned in high school. They don't show the panic felt during the longest half mile you will ever ride back to the cabin to call 911. They don't show the feeling of helplessness as you spend the longest HALF HOUR of your life waiting for an ambulance. They don't tell about men who haven't prayed in years dropping to their knees and saying a prayer. They don't show the feeling of uneasiness as you drive HIS truck to the hospital. They don't show the cold you feel as you wait until 4:30AM when the doctors give you the news you already knew but still can't bring yourself to hear. They don't tell the flood of emotions you feel as you have to call your friend's parents in the middle of the night to tell them that their son has died. They don't mention that none of his friends will get any sleep for days. They don't mention the nightmares when they do. They don't tell about the DNR showing up at 8:00AM the next day to fill out paperwork and make them relive it all again. They don't tell about grown men breaking down and crying. They don't tell about the longest, quietest drive home ever.
His roommate is the one who found him, called his parents, and drove his truck home. He has closed the kitchen window blinds so he doesn't have to see his truck. He had to close the kitchen cabinet to keep from seeing his box of corn flakes. He is now afraid of the dark. Our season is over.
The human body is so frail, so easily damaged. If you have an accident in a big city, help is only about five minutes away. If you have an accident in the north woods help could be forty miles away or more. Think about it: that's like having an accident in Milwaukee and having to wait for an ambulance from Illinois. And then having to go to a hospital back in Illinois.
I am not asking for speed limits, or other restrictions. Just please, PLEASE be careful. Slow down just a little. Skip that beer and have a soda instead. Ask yourself if it is worth the consequences to go flying through the woods. Your friends WILL wait for you. Death is forever. Think of all the good times you would miss. Take a little time and look at the beauty of nature. There are those that no longer can.
We laid Jim to rest today. If only one person is affected by this pointless loss, and a single life is saved, Jim's death would have meaning and all of us could have some closure.
I know you think that this only happens to "the other guy". So did we. Just like you.
srx70024 11-30-2004 09:39 PM
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That puts things in a different perspective, huh ?
srx_eh 11-30-2004 09:50 PM
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Part 2 on next post----------
part 2
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That is something to remember every time you get on a sled. I have ridden for many years with very few incidents, but just about bought it twice in the last 2 years.
BlueIronRanger 11-30-2004 10:22 PM
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No matter how much "experiance" you think you have there will always be that Hidden stump/rock, Animals, or other sleds that can put an end to your life real quick. I love my group of people I sled with, we keep civil speeds on the trails, repsect others, NEVER drink booze while riding(we save that for the campfire afterwords), and keep to our side of the trail. Have I done stupid things in the past on a sled, Yes, will I do stupid things in the Future, probibly as it is human nature and everyone is guilty of "stupid things" but I try to minimize the "stupidness".
Harvey 11-30-2004 10:50 PM
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I can relate to that in away,5 years ago this feb,I got a second chance.I was new to snowmobileing,had a new 99sx700,probably had about 700 miles under my belt.I had just got done studding it late that night and decided I needed to go try it out.Well my inexperience and sleds top speed damn near killed me. It happened on the sacandaga lake in edinburg NY.I had no idea what a pressure ridge was and was flying down the lake heading for sinclair point and there it was,a wall of ice,no time to react I hit it at over 100mph,sled shot straight up and I was unconsious.When I awoke I was in unimaginable pain,my leg was broke completly in 2 at the femer bone,I left the house at 1:30 am so it must have happened around 2:00 am,any way,I was bleeding badly and was quite scared,I was out in the middle of the lake and saw no other snowmobiles or house lights,I started screaming for help but no one could hear me.next thing I notice on that moon lit night are 3 coyotes laying out on the ice probably 20 feet away,well that scared the hell out of me and I noticed some how the sled was still running and about 300ft away,(still cant figure out how it stayed running,if you saw it you would know what I mean)adrenilin got the best of me and I dragged myself to the sled hopeing I could pull myself up on it and get to a house on shore.When I got to it and got myself on it the throttle was broke off,no way I could get it to go.I didnt have anything left in me and gave up and passed out again.Next thing I remember I am hearing a voice,turns out a local guys(Joe Herba)wife heard something outside and woke him up to check it out,the headlight was busted but he saw the tail light faintly from his window,he walked part way out and then called 911,they came and I was hover crafted off the ice after they put mask pants on me to push the little remaining blood back up into my chest.I was airlifted to albany medical with concusion,broken femer,broken back,broken pelvis,broken knee. I now have a permanant plate in my leg to remind me how lucky I was.I healed up fine,only a few aches and pains now and then but was very thankfull for my second chance.All I could think about laying out there for appox. 2 1/2 hours was my wife and kids and what they were going to do without me.Want to add,support your local vol. fire and ambulance,you dont relise how important they are untill you need them.Thanks-Harvey
mdkuni 11-30-2004 11:13 PM
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It really makes you think. Let's all take it easy and ride safe. Save the drinking till you are done for day.
Dfunkdf 12-01-2004 12:49 AM
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Things do cahange when your made to look at things a different way
wanasrx 12-02-2004 08:45 AM
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WOW,
Thank You!
Should be a sticky
yamahagirl 12-02-2004 09:26 AM
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I end up seeing at least 1 or 2 accidents on the trails each year ... although it is very sad to see these it really makes you think twice about pushing it around the next corner!
It may sounds a bit harsh or morbid, but every one should experience an accident scene ... its very sad to see friends/family gathered around someone who is hanging on to their life and not knowing if or when medical help will find them!
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That is something to remember every time you get on a sled. I have ridden for many years with very few incidents, but just about bought it twice in the last 2 years.
BlueIronRanger 11-30-2004 10:22 PM
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No matter how much "experiance" you think you have there will always be that Hidden stump/rock, Animals, or other sleds that can put an end to your life real quick. I love my group of people I sled with, we keep civil speeds on the trails, repsect others, NEVER drink booze while riding(we save that for the campfire afterwords), and keep to our side of the trail. Have I done stupid things in the past on a sled, Yes, will I do stupid things in the Future, probibly as it is human nature and everyone is guilty of "stupid things" but I try to minimize the "stupidness".
Harvey 11-30-2004 10:50 PM
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I can relate to that in away,5 years ago this feb,I got a second chance.I was new to snowmobileing,had a new 99sx700,probably had about 700 miles under my belt.I had just got done studding it late that night and decided I needed to go try it out.Well my inexperience and sleds top speed damn near killed me. It happened on the sacandaga lake in edinburg NY.I had no idea what a pressure ridge was and was flying down the lake heading for sinclair point and there it was,a wall of ice,no time to react I hit it at over 100mph,sled shot straight up and I was unconsious.When I awoke I was in unimaginable pain,my leg was broke completly in 2 at the femer bone,I left the house at 1:30 am so it must have happened around 2:00 am,any way,I was bleeding badly and was quite scared,I was out in the middle of the lake and saw no other snowmobiles or house lights,I started screaming for help but no one could hear me.next thing I notice on that moon lit night are 3 coyotes laying out on the ice probably 20 feet away,well that scared the hell out of me and I noticed some how the sled was still running and about 300ft away,(still cant figure out how it stayed running,if you saw it you would know what I mean)adrenilin got the best of me and I dragged myself to the sled hopeing I could pull myself up on it and get to a house on shore.When I got to it and got myself on it the throttle was broke off,no way I could get it to go.I didnt have anything left in me and gave up and passed out again.Next thing I remember I am hearing a voice,turns out a local guys(Joe Herba)wife heard something outside and woke him up to check it out,the headlight was busted but he saw the tail light faintly from his window,he walked part way out and then called 911,they came and I was hover crafted off the ice after they put mask pants on me to push the little remaining blood back up into my chest.I was airlifted to albany medical with concusion,broken femer,broken back,broken pelvis,broken knee. I now have a permanant plate in my leg to remind me how lucky I was.I healed up fine,only a few aches and pains now and then but was very thankfull for my second chance.All I could think about laying out there for appox. 2 1/2 hours was my wife and kids and what they were going to do without me.Want to add,support your local vol. fire and ambulance,you dont relise how important they are untill you need them.Thanks-Harvey
mdkuni 11-30-2004 11:13 PM
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It really makes you think. Let's all take it easy and ride safe. Save the drinking till you are done for day.Dfunkdf 12-01-2004 12:49 AM
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Things do cahange when your made to look at things a different way
wanasrx 12-02-2004 08:45 AM
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WOW,
Thank You!
Should be a sticky
yamahagirl 12-02-2004 09:26 AM
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I end up seeing at least 1 or 2 accidents on the trails each year ... although it is very sad to see these it really makes you think twice about pushing it around the next corner!
It may sounds a bit harsh or morbid, but every one should experience an accident scene ... its very sad to see friends/family gathered around someone who is hanging on to their life and not knowing if or when medical help will find them!
Well.....I can't resist,
I guess I'm a partial Idiot and will probably continue to be. There's always going to be the idiots out there. It's just a fact of life. I think a lot has to do with ones respect for another person and property. It also has to do with immaturity, just being young. Kids are going to make mistakes. You teach them as best you can but we’re only human. Let those kids know when they step in a bad direction. As far as adults , well, we’ll make mistakes too, but for the most part we need to be responsible , the over drinking has to end. A responsible person can change in a hurry. Been there done that. We have to be aware of what can happen at those blind hills and corners. I don’t condone behavior that is going to risk someones life or well being. I will still do some of those idiot things such as spinning that track, weather it be in little snow , out of the corner or from a stop. It’s just a fact, many of us do it, We’re not always going to do it but it just feels good sometimes. It’s not going to hurt anyone(as long as your in control). If your looking for a flat ,perfect, boring trail , good luck.
Keeping that pot stirring :
I guess I'm a partial Idiot and will probably continue to be. There's always going to be the idiots out there. It's just a fact of life. I think a lot has to do with ones respect for another person and property. It also has to do with immaturity, just being young. Kids are going to make mistakes. You teach them as best you can but we’re only human. Let those kids know when they step in a bad direction. As far as adults , well, we’ll make mistakes too, but for the most part we need to be responsible , the over drinking has to end. A responsible person can change in a hurry. Been there done that. We have to be aware of what can happen at those blind hills and corners. I don’t condone behavior that is going to risk someones life or well being. I will still do some of those idiot things such as spinning that track, weather it be in little snow , out of the corner or from a stop. It’s just a fact, many of us do it, We’re not always going to do it but it just feels good sometimes. It’s not going to hurt anyone(as long as your in control). If your looking for a flat ,perfect, boring trail , good luck.
Keeping that pot stirring :
yamyrider
Active member
Here in Northern Ontario we have already had a few snowmobile fatalities.
One died because he was an idiot but the other accident one person died because somebody else was an idiot.
If you are in the open country where you know you cant hurt anyone but yourself is one thing but to be on trails where others ride, families with kids, club members and you feel the need to be a super hotdog, do us all a favor and get lost. Of course the person that caused the second accident lived and is ok but the innocent guy riding along lost his life.
I sometimes like to push myself and my machine to outer limits but I really pick where and when....I make sure if something goes wrong I dont hurt any one else. As far as private property,... I am sick of losing trails for the handful of idiots that cant read signs....again if you dont like the rules "Get Lost".
One died because he was an idiot but the other accident one person died because somebody else was an idiot.
If you are in the open country where you know you cant hurt anyone but yourself is one thing but to be on trails where others ride, families with kids, club members and you feel the need to be a super hotdog, do us all a favor and get lost. Of course the person that caused the second accident lived and is ok but the innocent guy riding along lost his life.
I sometimes like to push myself and my machine to outer limits but I really pick where and when....I make sure if something goes wrong I dont hurt any one else. As far as private property,... I am sick of losing trails for the handful of idiots that cant read signs....again if you dont like the rules "Get Lost".
Yamahasrx700
Member
You might be an IDIOT if you ride slower than me and when I want to pass you, you refuse to get over and stay in the middle of the trail. Then I stuff you in a corner when I have had enough of your B.S..... Then your mad. HMMMMMM
Several idiots in this world....the slow that dont understand trail manures and the fast that think they are snow crossers....All I have to say is if you do something stupid keep driving, get your sled home and hide in the corner with the lights off....
funny thought..in some cases I wish I had a big air horn....
This thread is dedicated to those of us that just shake our heads and drive on....just a nice place to vent....LOL
funny thought..in some cases I wish I had a big air horn....
This thread is dedicated to those of us that just shake our heads and drive on....just a nice place to vent....LOL