97 SX 700 Winterized at the dealer. Did I get suckered?

I could have driven over to you for the a few beers and showed you how to do all that. Throw a couple grilled steaks and baked potatoes and you would have had a lot of extra money to spend on gas for the season. I'm always willing to help out people.
 

Do not take their advice on if your clutch is shot or not. That squeak is just your belt that can be fixed with adjusting the screw shims on the secondary. Was the belt newer? Also your clutch center to center/alignment could be a hair off. Not saying your clutch couldnt use a little rebuild as they all need new bushing sooner or later but my guess is your just fine. I would like to hear why they think its shoT???? These clutches are for the most part bullet proof. Rollers dont wear, weights dont wear, spring gets weak over time and bushings wear but thats about it. Get that sled back before you have to remortgage the house to pay for this mess. Take sleddineinar up on his offer and he can help you look at that clutch for ya!
 
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X2 on don't take their word on clutches......Hell it took em this long to clean carbs! Post pics and give description of what they are or aren't doing. ALOT of guys here willing to help. If you decide something is over your head as far as doing yourself we can steer you in a good direction as far as where to go to get it done.
 
X3 These clutches are great, even if it does need a rebuild most of it is very easy to do yourself and fairly cheap. I had my local Yamaha dealer do the hard part for me (remove spider and install new bushings) and they only charged me 30min labor, I think roughly 40 bucks. I rebuilt mine because of play in the bushings, it ran good I am just picky. This was the original clutch with 9000kms on it and other than bushings I changed 1 collar in 1 roller.

Unless these things grenade, I dont see any reason why it would be shot and not re-buildable for fairly cheap. Id say more than likely the Arctic Cat dealer was confused because it was an older sled and nothing seemed to be broken??? They have probably never seen that before...
 
Ahhh... Thanks guys. What a day. Got the sled home about an hour ago excited as can be even with -20 wind chills.. Start it up, let it warm up for about 5 minutes or so go down the road , just breaking things back in.. Once warm I get on the gas a little bit, and what happens? It bogs so bad it hurls me forward like I just hit the brakes, the pops n backfires. ... Ride for another 200 feet or so, easy on the throttle, bogs and backfires again.... Turned around disappointed hoping it was just kinks being worked out... Nope blipped it quick about 1/2 throttle .. Pop pop......


I am beyond pissed right now. Looks like my Saturday on the trail with my buddies is down the shitter.. How?? How does this happen?

Will I be in the wrong asking them for some sort of refund so I can take it somewhere else? Hell at this point Hauck is looking pretty good.. About an hour drive from me and probably some of the best in the business for Yamaha...


Or grab some beer and burgers and hit up one of the members lol


But seriously.... Reeeealllly pissed off and disappointed right now
 
Is the bog and popping your TORS kicking in, like discussed earlier in this thread? You can check it by bypassing the switch at the carbs, just unplug the two connectors and then plug the connectors in to each other (they can only go together one other way besides the standard connection). If TORS is kicking in, the throttle cable is likely out of adjustment, it's an easy check. Do you have an owners manual? It describes the adjustment procedure.

So what did their hourly shop rate turn out to be?
 
Thanks a lot "again" guys. :)..


How would it not happen for him when he put 2 miles on it after he was finished ? It didn't do it for him and he said he got on it a couple times :(


And with a $400 carb adjustment how or why wouldn't you check the throttle cable and anything else that may need a fine tune?

I Dont have the manual... I'll look in the tech section here... Is it just that the throttle cable is to tight? Now I'm interested and am gonna go look :)

Shop rate is $85/hr he claims to clean and sync all the carbs it takes 1 hour per carb... Plus the 1 hour diagnosis, new plugs etc.
 
3 hours on carbs and diagnosis on top of that..was it a new guy??? You do know you could buy a whole complete set of carbs new for less money..should be able to do all the carb work less then an hour especially if they do it for a living.Now I don't feel so bad getting a complete brake job on my truck for $1700..at least I can see the amount of new parts installed.
 
I went out to look at the throttle tension. I used the first thread as a guide as it showed how to set the throttle cable and disable tors..I will work on that tomorrow am, but for now I noticed that there is slack in the cable for the throttle.. The throttle will pivot, then its almost immediate pulling on the carbs... But it does pivot without pulling up on the rail...
 
Also when it did pop and backfire it did it at all rpms .. 1000, 3000, 5000... Just felt like the motor was cut out for a second then ran ok. I'll try to loosen it even more tomorrow, but I just thought as long as the throttle could pivot without pulling on the rail it was good..., no?


If that doesn't work I'll try the tors bypass... Simple enough and has seem to have worked for many people.
 
The vipers like the throttle cracked about a 1/4 when warm. Will fire first pull every time. And for the throttle slack they need more then you think.
 
And thank you everyone for the midnight help... I'll loosen up the cable a bit then retry. If that doesn't I will bypass the tors by connecting the 2 wires on the throttle side.. Just hoping for a fix as I've been seeing people with clutch stator and cdi issues with the same symptoms. Or the carbs were not cleaned all the way..

Almost forgot. The tech pulled my carbs cleaned then put them back on.. Had an issue took them off a second time and recleaned them... Then he said they were fine... But now I'm thinking they still might be mucked up :/
 
wow, I need to raise my prices. I do a "first ride check up" for the season for $125, thats clean the carbs,clean the clutchs,adjust chain tension, check track tension and slide condition, check all fluids and grease up sled.......
 
comatoast said:
How would it not happen for him when he put 2 miles on it after he was finished ?
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I've had them come and go, sometimes they are fine for miles and miles, and sometimes they act up often.

comatoast said:
And with a $400 carb adjustment how or why wouldn't you check the throttle cable and anything else that may need a fine tune?
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Maybe that dealership isn't familiar with Yamaha's, they may have checked it and adjusted, but not correclty.

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I Dont have the manual... I'll look in the tech section here... Is it just that the throttle cable is to tight? Now I'm interested and am gonna go look :)
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The throttle cable too tight seems to be the most common cause. You can download the owners manual from Yamaha:
http://www.yamahamotorsports.com/sport/service/viewmanuals/viewmanuals.aspx?ls=sport

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Shop rate is $85/hr he claims to clean and sync all the carbs it takes 1 hour per carb... Plus the 1 hour diagnosis, new plugs etc.
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I'll echo everyone else's feelings here that the time seems a bit excessive, but they are a dealer shop and not for Yamaha, so they may not be familiar.
 
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