well, there seemed to be two vipers made in 02 a strong runner and a weak. mook had one of each, his wife's sled was consistantly faster at all times. we tried heelclickers and several combos, ended with the 8dn20 set up stated above. he went from getting beat by a sled or two to being out front a sled or two. so 2-4 sled length increse over stock. sharona's sled was never touched so we used it as a baseline. both sleds totally stock. both their sleds had nasty overrev's after motors broke in. we did heavy rivets in sharons sled and the 8dn20 set up in mooks. same outcome matt's was faster. ski