03viperguy
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I love my ripsaw. I rede groomed trails and noticed really almost nothing as far as drawbacks, and the traction is awesome
ExpertXViper
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Cnote post what kinda trails and/or conditions you ride most before you make the plunge on a track. For the most part any Camoplast track will out perform the stock .92 Yoko track.
bluewho
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Nice sermon phil but you mispelled yamaolligy i think [ you ]should clean under the pews tonight.lol
opsled
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bluewho said:
Yea your right, Well I never got good grades in spellin and my kids say I stink as a preacher too so I guess it's the pews for me. LOL
P. S. I fixed the spellin thing for ya but I gotta git my mops and dusters tugether and git ta church so see ya.
Phil (opsled)
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bluewho
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Wait one more sermon before you bed down the alter boys.........er put them to bed.We are gathered here today in the house that tom [Mr Sled] built not ..to look at this lost soul as a yami internet imposter looking for a summer worth of giggles..but as a truely fine young member of the yamaha rideing community that is haveing trouble finding his way............hey if we keep this up can we buy sleds tax free??
ExpertXViper said:
I ride groomed trails in lower and upper Michigan and an occasional run through fresh powder.
ExpertXViper
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CNOTE said:
If I were you I'd go with either a Hacksaw or Predator in a 1in lug. If you end up going with a 1.25in. I would suggest either removing the front protectors and tunnel protectors OR trimming the track in the contact points. If you plan on a 1.25in with studs then youd wanna leave all the protectors in and switch out your 9 tooth drivers for 8 tooth drivers so youll clear all your heat exchangers which you really wanna do since those are what keep you going. Running a 1in track with studs you wont have to remove or switched out anything besides your track. But this info is for NON ViperS which are not equipped with front or tunnel protectors cause they came stock with a 1.25in Ripsaw.
I'm running a 9818(Clipped every 3rd) 1.25in Predator Non Studded on my Viper and will be ordering a 9830 (Pre Punched for 144 studs/Clipped every 3rd) 1in. Predator for my SRX which will get studded. I like the Predator tracks cause theyre known for their durability and when your spending $300-$450 thats what I'm more worried about. Contact RichieRich for a track, hes got awsome deals on tracks right now plus hes a sponsor of the site. Thats who I give my business to.
BTW Cnote where you located in Michigan? I'm curious
bluewho
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He might be haveing just a little problem with this new found congergation!Strange he never asked one guestion.Time will tell always does.
opsled
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bluewho said:
Amen OORRR maby he's and atheist.
Gorkon
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Not real happy with the direction of the 4-strokes???? Man, I've got two seasons on an 06 Attak and LOVE IT! 7500 trouble free kls so far! 40,000 k to the first valve adjustment!!! I kept my 98 SRX Mountain because I was so happy with it and didn't want to lose the throttle response and power of that sweet little 700, but my Attak flat out makes it look sick! I ride it every once in awhile to keep it in use, but it feels like such a dinosaur now!
As for the Ski-Don't's, it's your funeral, I like to ride, A LOT! Fixing really isn't my idea of fun, but that's all my yellow friends seem to do! Last year, my Attak beat up my friends 800 rev and I had a 1000 that wanted to line me up. Then the 800 beat up on the 1000, so I really never saw the point! Plus, we just get out there and start having fun, my fuel gage has barely moved and the Bomb-a-queers are out! It's such a drag. If you decide to lose that way though, I can tell you from experience, that the REV skis will mount backwards quickly and easily, makes em way easier to tow home!
One last thing, the new Nytro leaves the Attak in the dust off the line, turbo that puppy up and LOOK-OUT! Just think about it!
The new offerings from yellow may look pretty good, on paper and in the showrooms, but in my experience, unless you like hanging around in the garage with greasy hands drinking beer with all the other brand X riders, stay blue! Best. G.
As for the Ski-Don't's, it's your funeral, I like to ride, A LOT! Fixing really isn't my idea of fun, but that's all my yellow friends seem to do! Last year, my Attak beat up my friends 800 rev and I had a 1000 that wanted to line me up. Then the 800 beat up on the 1000, so I really never saw the point! Plus, we just get out there and start having fun, my fuel gage has barely moved and the Bomb-a-queers are out! It's such a drag. If you decide to lose that way though, I can tell you from experience, that the REV skis will mount backwards quickly and easily, makes em way easier to tow home!
One last thing, the new Nytro leaves the Attak in the dust off the line, turbo that puppy up and LOOK-OUT! Just think about it!
The new offerings from yellow may look pretty good, on paper and in the showrooms, but in my experience, unless you like hanging around in the garage with greasy hands drinking beer with all the other brand X riders, stay blue! Best. G.
maxwell
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2010 is when the new emmisions take effect in heavy vehicles (trucks) and Farm Equipment, so I am assuming that will also effect small motors
Junior said:
Gorkon
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03viperguy said:I would give the new revs a year to be "de-bugged." doo seems to have a bad habit of going a little too far sometimes and having problems with them because of it. any first year sled is a gamble, and the new rev seems a little too new if you know what I mean. thats my thought
That's the way the north american brands seem to do it, they let the people be their R & D for working the bugs out. Very seldom that you can accuse Yamaha of that! I reiterate, if you like wrenching buy a brand X. We tell people all of the time when they recommend them to us, "Naw, we're not mechanics!"
opsled
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Yamaouch08 said:
ExpertXViper
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Yamaouch08 said:
Yep our Lower Michigan trails get real nasty as ya said. 3-4ft moguls(Thats the main reason I went with a ExpertX, to save myself from the back pain) is no joke if your riding any where near Gaylord, Lewiston, Lovells, Grayling, East Jordan, Mancelona. Makes ya wonder where all our trail permit money goes cause the 3 years Ive been riding Ive been on about 3 freshly groomed trails. To much traffic not enough grommers for the area, hard to believe when you pay $25 a peice for permits.
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opsled
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Yamaouch08 said:
Well???????? If you would have added all that info about 10 hrs worth of 4ft moguls and some MORE info on how it handles the boondocking you're into and based your negitive comments on those riding styles/conditions I wouldn't have wasted my time with my follow up post. But to just say they are heavy as a frieght train and that you would never own another one doesn't do anyone any good when it comes to figuring out what these 4 strokes are really like. Everybody has different riding styles and preferances and just because you like playing in the ditches and riding really bumpy trails doesn't mean an Apex is a bad sled. It's just not made for you. It would be like a dirt bike guy calling a hi perf street bike a P.O.S. because it won't handle super cross.
These sleds ARE ANIMALS!!! under the conditions they were built for and under those conditions they CAN'T be beat. People just need to know what they are buying and what they want. Then they will be happy with their purchase. I happen to like flat out, high speed, big trail, lake and river running and have no use for jumping fences or playing in 4ft of powder but that's just me. Under the conditions I like to ride I will take a 4 stroke over ANY two stroke when we are talking about all day, 10hr's worth of riding. On short runs I like my V-max4. It's a specialty type animal that is only suited for a handful of people, but I like it. It will out run most sleds in the type on riding I like but is a little much for all day and needs a fuel truck to follow it. If I wanted a sled for your type of riding I would buy a sled that was suited for it. The bottom line is if you want a dirt bike? buy a dirt bike, if you want a steet bike? buy a street bike, if you are into touring buy something that is made for touring but DON"T try to compare them to each other as they are completely different animals. If you would have done your homework as others are trying to do here with their questions you probably would have never bought an Apex and you would be happier now.
So next time you want to bash something just becase YOU don't like it remember that it may be just the ticket for someone else and be FAIR!!! about your oppinions if you want to have any credibility.
JUST MY .02!!!!! And it was your comments that got me "started".
opsled
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bluewho
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Frieght train might be a little harsh to describe a fully capable touring sled as father phil has pointed out.25 bucks is cheap for a permit compared with 180 up here that could be part of the problem.I thought the nytro would be a better sled for a girl or a rough trail.
ExpertXViper
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bluewho said:
If we had half the trails you have(Canada) to run Id glady pay $180 for a permit.
bluewho
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I hear ya the trail systom in ontario has changed alot over the years there is now a federation ofc that basicly helps smaller clubs by moveing around funds to pay for groomers and operaters, bridges, club houses ,and the biggest draw inshurance.People sueing over gettin hurt on bad trails have drove the costs higher thus the ride at your own risk is in effect.
I switched from an 02 viper to an 04 Rev 600HO trail last year and loved it. It had over 5K on it when I bought it so I replaced the rings(yes I know, "Bring Rings and Pistons") actually the pistons were still well within spec. after 5K. I rode it over 2K last year with no issues at all. The fuel economy wasn't as good as the Viper with a smaller tank and crappy fuel guage(I actually ran out of gas on the trail last year for the first time in 25 years of riding). For ditch running, boondocking and rough trail riding the Rev is much better. If you primarily run smooth trails there's not much advantage to the Rev, in fact the cornering of the Viper was better in terms of the effort required to keep both skis down. Although I never ran them on the same day the power of the 600HO felt as strong as the Viper just without that sweet triple sound. As others have mentioned it really comes down to the way you ride determines what's best for you. The Rev better suits the way I ride so I don't regret the switch. I updated to an X with SDI this year primarily for the fuel economy. I rode with Vectors last year and the fuel consumption between them and the SDI in our group was almost identical. The Rev does have some issues with bulkhead and front crossmember strength so if you're buying used look at the crossmember and bulkhead behind the muffler carefully for signs of previous repairs or existing damage. I spend alot of time on here and Dootalk and for the most part both forums are accepting of members riding other brands providing there's no bashing. Good Luck whichever way you decide to go.
Gorkon
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Yamaouch08 said:
I really don't know what you're talking about here? I absolutely love my Attak. I'm 5'11, 210 lbs and in decent shape and the only time the weight played me out was in the mountains after a long day, otherwise I don't feel the weight at all. It should be noted that where we ride in Alberta, we don't have trails, we just take off in the morning cross country making our way across farmers fields, though creeks and ravines, just kinda fartin around exploring, and looking for deep virgin powder to play in. (We had awesome snow here last winter) Sometimes we wind up cruising across fields at a buck forty for a 1/2 hour or more. The monoshock RA eats pretty much anything I throw at it. It's the smoothest suspension I've ever experienced!
I have hit some extremely rough trails in the mountains going up and down the hill, and the only thing I found this sled missing is a horn because of the bomb-a-queer guys putting along in my way, standing up trying to handle the trail, and they can't hear me over that racket!!
The other thing is that the weights aren't really that different when they're wet! But I mean hey, if you don't like the sled, you don't like the sled, your perceptions are definetly your own. But maybe you should consider a Vector with a turbo! The best of both worlds, eat the four cyl for breakfast, and have the light weight and handling, and the Yamaha quality!
Good luck with the wife and garage mechanics companion, but truth be told, it'll probably be okay if she don't actually ride it. Like some of my friends that swear by their cats, they put on whole 450 k all winter. I do that in a weekend! It definetly won't break if it just sits in the garage!