no1chevyboy said:
as for name calling it started post 41 and it wasnt me! back to subject pengiun if you install good exhaust temp gauges,dont jet to optimum,dont store sled with fuel in it, make sure you fog the motor really good when storing and install a vent valve for riding during season you should be ok running 10% but there is no way to fix phazed fuel that i no of drill here now!!!!!!! this fuel is an agenda not a need go to utube the energy non crisis by lindsey williams see what you think? i tend to believe the little guy not the gov. just my opinion
Actually, the name calling started in thread 14 when you suggested anyone from the mid-west that didn't agree with you was a lier or some shrill for BIG OIL/ETHANOL. As it turns out, I did lie since I'm back on this thread.
As for post 41, I did type "Chebby" on purpose. It's and old hot-rodding term that came from a trim package offered on the Chevelle in the early 70's. I figured since you're only a year younger than me you'd know "Heabby Chebby". Sorry for being insensative.
All,
Bottom line again... You can not rely on what is or isn't marked on the pump, so it's best to assume you're getting 10% ethanol. At least in Michigan and more than likely other states.
- Don't rely on your EGTs warning you in time.
- Don't summer store with any fuel.
- Don't assume closing off tank/bowl vents will reduce seperation (it'll more than likely fill the crankcase with fuel that overcomes float pressure on the needle and seat caused by vapor generation).
I've been guilty myself for going off half-cocked only to find I didn't know all I thought I did. I talk to techs all day long and have to weed-out some of the editorial from thier story to get to root-cause. You also can't rely on what the customer says or doesn't say.
no1chevyboy gave a few examples of customers with soured fuel. I've been personally involved with customer vehicles that also had contaminated fuel that turned out to be introduced by an ex-husband or in one case an ex-wife. He also suggested in one instance that the fuel came from a high volume station. Were there headlines in the next day's paper "Local station leaves hundreds stranded"? I'm not suggesting the fuel wasn't seperated or contaminated. But if no one else had issues on that day from that station, perhaps there's another answer. What was in the tank prior to filling at that station.
I won't argue the politics of this fuel. That wasn't the original intent of this thread. I've given my opinion which may seen like nothing to some, but it's based on my experiences over the past 10 years+ dealing with this unmarked fuel. I haven't detonated my sled and after following my recommendations, neither have my riding buddies. Take it for what it's worth.
One other thing that could explain performance issues with modern small two strokes. As no1cheveboy pointed out, today's two strokes and small 4 strokes are run very lean to curb exhaust emissions. I have had to drill out main jets on lawn mowers, weedwackers and other implements just so they would perform satisfactory. I also found that a rich oil to fuel ratio with the premix fuel will lean things out enough to cause performance issues. In other words, you can't just eye-ball when mixing premix fuel. Since I'm a bit lazy I run Amsoil 100:1 and still eye-ball on the lean side.
Peace, love and rock-n-roll!!
JJS